Luger Holster with no markings?

pisto · 02-27-2003, 05:50 PM

Hello,
just want to use Your advantage as collectors to help me in another case of my collection!
purchased a few years ago a nice WWI style holster with not a single marking neither on the front side nor inside the flap.
It is very well made, not as the repros I have seen.
The color of the stiching is black, not white or brown as all the others I have. The colour of the leather is original dark brown.

lugerholsterrepair · 02-28-2003, 01:19 AM

Pistolero, Quite the unusual holster. It has characteristics of an original but has differences that bother me. It may be a commercial variant. The top and the hinge almost look like replacements.They look new and have a color that is not natural to original holsters of this time frame. Also the hinge is too wide. The front closure strap on many WW1 era holsters are stitched with a middle stitch. This one has only the two side stitches. The metal closure buckle looks too thin to be an original. Difficult to see really.

Pistolero, Ganz die ungewÃ?Â¶hnliche Halfter. Es hat Eigenschaften eines Originals aber hat Unterschiede, die mich belÃ?Â¤stigen. Es kann eine kaufmÃ?Â¤nnische Variante sein. Die Spitze und das Scharnier sehen fast wie Ersetzungen aus. Sie sehen neu aus und haben eine Farbe, die zu ursprÃ?Â¼nglichen Halftern dieses Zeit-Rahmens nicht natÃ?Â¼rlich ist. Auch das Scharnier ist zu breit. Der VorderverschluÃ??-Riemen auf vielen WW1 Ã??ra-Halftern wird mit einem mittleren Stich genÃ?Â¤ht. Dieser hat nur die zwei Seite-Stiche. Die metallene VerschluÃ??-WÃ?Â¶lbung sieht zu dÃ?Â¼nn aus, um ein Original zu sein. Schwierig, wirklich zu sehen. Jerry Burney

Navy · 02-28-2003, 04:29 PM

Pistolero,
Welcome to the forum.

I would tend to agree with my Airborne comrad that this is a commercial "Private purchase" piece.
Must say though that I have run across several 1914 dated and maker/unit marked pieces that had a similar bucket and hinge. Also they all had uncharacteristically long closure straps, which of course led me to nick name them something that I shall not mention here.

Tom A.

pisto · 03-01-2003, 03:18 AM

Jerry,
I grabbed another WWI Holster and saw the stiching of the front closure strap is again without a middle stich. The flap is not a replacement - it is all exactly the same type of original coloured leather. The hinge is exactly the same size than in the military types....
The buckle is black coulored but in the same size.
Even the clousure strap is not longer and has no differences to military types, like Tom suggested.
I think it should be a comercial type too and agree with You both.

lugerholsterrepair · 03-01-2003, 11:47 AM

Roland, Well I suspect all is as it should be. It looked a little odd in the photo's but if I had to guess I would say original. Really difficult to say exactly without seeing it up close.

Many WW1 era holsters that come thru my shop have a much tighter hinge and the closure strap is usually sewn with the three stitches.

I have learned that it is wise to expect the unusual when dealing with Luger holsters. I always run into something different from time to time. Thats what makes it interesting. Jerry Burney

pisto · 03-01-2003, 02:49 PM

Some more pictures about the holster to compare.
the bright brown one is a 1916 BÃ?Â¶hmlÃ?Â¤nder&Co, NÃ?Â¼rnberg.

02-27-2003, 05:50 PM	#1
pisto User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 228 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Luger Holster with no markings? Hello, just want to use Your advantage as collectors to help me in another case of my collection! purchased a few years ago a nice WWI style holster with not a single marking neither on the front side nor inside the flap. It is very well made, not as the repros I have seen. The color of the stiching is black, not white or brown as all the others I have. The colour of the leather is original dark brown.

02-28-2003, 01:19 AM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,928 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Pistolero, Quite the unusual holster. It has characteristics of an original but has differences that bother me. It may be a commercial variant. The top and the hinge almost look like replacements.They look new and have a color that is not natural to original holsters of this time frame. Also the hinge is too wide. The front closure strap on many WW1 era holsters are stitched with a middle stitch. This one has only the two side stitches. The metal closure buckle looks too thin to be an original. Difficult to see really. Pistolero, Ganz die ungewÃ?Â¶hnliche Halfter. Es hat Eigenschaften eines Originals aber hat Unterschiede, die mich belÃ?Â¤stigen. Es kann eine kaufmÃ?Â¤nnische Variante sein. Die Spitze und das Scharnier sehen fast wie Ersetzungen aus. Sie sehen neu aus und haben eine Farbe, die zu ursprÃ?Â¼nglichen Halftern dieses Zeit-Rahmens nicht natÃ?Â¼rlich ist. Auch das Scharnier ist zu breit. Der VorderverschluÃ??-Riemen auf vielen WW1 Ã??ra-Halftern wird mit einem mittleren Stich genÃ?Â¤ht. Dieser hat nur die zwei Seite-Stiche. Die metallene VerschluÃ??-WÃ?Â¶lbung sieht zu dÃ?Â¼nn aus, um ein Original zu sein. Schwierig, wirklich zu sehen. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-01-2003, 11:47 AM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,928 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Roland, Well I suspect all is as it should be. It looked a little odd in the photo's but if I had to guess I would say original. Really difficult to say exactly without seeing it up close. Many WW1 era holsters that come thru my shop have a much tighter hinge and the closure strap is usually sewn with the three stitches. I have learned that it is wise to expect the unusual when dealing with Luger holsters. I always run into something different from time to time. Thats what makes it interesting. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

02-28-2003, 04:29 PM	#3
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Pistolero, Welcome to the forum. I would tend to agree with my Airborne comrad that this is a commercial "Private purchase" piece. Must say though that I have run across several 1914 dated and maker/unit marked pieces that had a similar bucket and hinge. Also they all had uncharacteristically long closure straps, which of course led me to nick name them something that I shall not mention here. Tom A.

03-01-2003, 03:18 AM	#4
pisto User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 228 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jerry, I grabbed another WWI Holster and saw the stiching of the front closure strap is again without a middle stich. The flap is not a replacement - it is all exactly the same type of original coloured leather. The hinge is exactly the same size than in the military types.... The buckle is black coulored but in the same size. Even the clousure strap is not longer and has no differences to military types, like Tom suggested. I think it should be a comercial type too and agree with You both.

03-01-2003, 02:49 PM	#6
pisto User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 228 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Some more pictures about the holster to compare. the bright brown one is a 1916 BÃ?Â¶hmlÃ?Â¤nder&Co, NÃ?Â¼rnberg.