Has anyone seen this maker before?

PANZERSOLDAT · 08-04-2003, 03:24 PM

I have a brown 1916 holster marked, E. DELACROIX NACH F BERLIN 1916. The mark is die stamped on inside of cover flap, also die stamped is BAXVII. I have attempted to post picture but this is my first post to this forum so bear with me if I do not get it right.

This holster is in excellent condition but the French makers name is somewhat curious don't you think?

Edward Tinker · 08-04-2003, 04:20 PM

Duane, I have never heard this name before, but in 1916, all kinds of people were living in and had lived in Berlin for hundreds of years. So maybe they had moved there 50 years before, it will be interesting if others have holster by this maker.

Ed

Herb · 08-04-2003, 05:58 PM

Costanzo lists this manufacturer on page 366 of his World of Lugers Proof Marks book. He shows the name as Edelacroix Nachf.

Navy · 08-05-2003, 12:52 AM

I have NEVER SEEN OR HEARD OF a die stamped BAX stamp. I am not necessarily saying the stamp is bogus, but it is *certainly* out of the ordinary. Jerry B., What do you say?

Tom A.

PANZERSOLDAT · 08-05-2003, 01:19 AM

I know little about holsters but I agree that all the others in my collection are ink stamped, does anyone else have a die stamped BAX holster out there?

Herb · 08-05-2003, 01:31 AM

Not being a collector of holsters nor thier references, what the heck is a BAX stamped holster???

Lugerlover · 08-05-2003, 01:37 AM

I recently purchased a 1915 holster also marked E. Delacroix Nach F, Berlin. No BAX stamp though.

lugerholsterrepair · 08-05-2003, 03:29 AM

Tom, I have never seen anything but ink in all the holsters that have come through my shop...I don't know what to think about it. I would suspect the BAX was not meant to be absolutely permanent so why anything but ink? Hard to say really. Anyone else out there have one? Jerry Burney

Lugerdoc · 08-05-2003, 12:49 PM

To all, I've seen many WW1 holsters stamped inside the flap with BA and a roman numeral. BAX indicates issue by the 10th Army Clothing Depot. TH

lugerholsterrepair · 08-05-2003, 04:53 PM

Tom, That is correct. I just had an Artillery in here for repair with this stamp on the inside left liner. BAIII . But I don't recall the BAX ever being anything but an inked stamp. Not that it never was, I just have never seen one in all the holsters that have come thru my hands. One thing I have noticed, the unusual will pop up sooner or later in the holster world. There were so many cottage Sadlers accross Germany that some strange stuff appears quite often. Jerry Burney

Navy · 08-06-2003, 01:45 AM

Herb,
BAX is the Imperial German abbreviation for Clothing Depot, 10th Corps.(Bekliedung Amt, 10)The German Army, like the US Army, treated holsters as a clothing and equipment item rather than a weapons/armament item.

Tom A.

08-04-2003, 03:24 PM	#1
PANZERSOLDAT User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: CLARKSVILLE, TN Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Has anyone seen this maker before? I have a brown 1916 holster marked, E. DELACROIX NACH F BERLIN 1916. The mark is die stamped on inside of cover flap, also die stamped is BAXVII. I have attempted to post picture but this is my first post to this forum so bear with me if I do not get it right. This holster is in excellent condition but the French makers name is somewhat curious don't you think?

08-04-2003, 04:20 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	Duane, I have never heard this name before, but in 1916, all kinds of people were living in and had lived in Berlin for hundreds of years. So maybe they had moved there 50 years before, it will be interesting if others have holster by this maker. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-04-2003, 05:58 PM	#3
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Costanzo lists this manufacturer on page 366 of his World of Lugers Proof Marks book. He shows the name as Edelacroix Nachf. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

08-05-2003, 01:31 AM	#6
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Not being a collector of holsters nor thier references, what the heck is a BAX stamped holster??? __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

08-05-2003, 03:29 AM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,770 Thanks: 4,907 Thanked 3,122 Times in 1,433 Posts	Tom, I have never seen anything but ink in all the holsters that have come through my shop...I don't know what to think about it. I would suspect the BAX was not meant to be absolutely permanent so why anything but ink? Hard to say really. Anyone else out there have one? Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-05-2003, 12:52 AM	#4
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	I have NEVER SEEN OR HEARD OF a die stamped BAX stamp. I am not necessarily saying the stamp is bogus, but it is certainly out of the ordinary. Jerry B., What do you say? Tom A.

08-05-2003, 01:19 AM	#5
PANZERSOLDAT User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: CLARKSVILLE, TN Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I know little about holsters but I agree that all the others in my collection are ink stamped, does anyone else have a die stamped BAX holster out there?

08-05-2003, 01:37 AM	#7
Lugerlover User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 78 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I recently purchased a 1915 holster also marked E. Delacroix Nach F, Berlin. No BAX stamp though.

08-05-2003, 12:49 PM	#9
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	To all, I've seen many WW1 holsters stamped inside the flap with BA and a roman numeral. BAX indicates issue by the 10th Army Clothing Depot. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

08-05-2003, 04:53 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,770 Thanks: 4,907 Thanked 3,122 Times in 1,433 Posts	Tom, That is correct. I just had an Artillery in here for repair with this stamp on the inside left liner. BAIII . But I don't recall the BAX ever being anything but an inked stamp. Not that it never was, I just have never seen one in all the holsters that have come thru my hands. One thing I have noticed, the unusual will pop up sooner or later in the holster world. There were so many cottage Sadlers accross Germany that some strange stuff appears quite often. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-06-2003, 01:45 AM	#11
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Herb, BAX is the Imperial German abbreviation for Clothing Depot, 10th Corps.(Bekliedung Amt, 10)The German Army, like the US Army, treated holsters as a clothing and equipment item rather than a weapons/armament item. Tom A.