Historical Swiss B-L's...

Pete Ebbink · 02-12-2004, 12:26 AM

Since Albert Beliard has come out and posted his photo in the Rogue's Gallery, I figured it would be safe to post this other photo...

If I recall it was taken at the Bern Museum in Switzerland in the 1995-96 timeframe...

What is significant (in addition to Albert's handsomeness...

) is what Albert is holding in his hands...

The two pistols are the 1898-1899 era Borchart-Luger pistols...No. 5 and No. 6. If I am correct, these are the two oldest pistols, existing, that began to develop into the luger as we know them...

No. 5 is on top and No. 6 is on the bottom...

Albert showed exceptional character...a lesser gentleman would have run down the street and not looked back...!

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Edward Tinker · 02-12-2004, 12:39 AM

Lucky indeed Pete, dang, I would love to see one of those, let alone two!

Ed

Imperial Arms · 02-12-2004, 03:32 PM

Thank you Pete, but I look more handsome with my new glasses! Furthermore, in the above image I did not have any grey hairs popping out!

If you look very carefully, notice the different finish between both B/L pistols on the 'nipple' on the sideframe and the tiny safety lever. The differences can be seen better on the images posted on my web site.

Cheers,
Albert

Pete Ebbink · 02-12-2004, 04:08 PM

Hello Albert,

As most of us are probably well aware, there are some fashion items from our pasts that we would all just rather forget...

I cannot believe I wore those stupid platform shoes like Elton John did in the late '70's and even wore a haircut called a "shag" (I think)...and just to think some young folks are rediscovering them in this century...

Just glad there are no photos of me in those days...

Thanks for not minding the posting of your photo. Just thought that moment in your luger career with those historical lugers should be shared with others...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

John Sabato · 02-12-2004, 04:44 PM

I would be HAPPY to have a SHAG haircut Pete... but lately my scalp is protuding WAY above my hairline... when I retired from the army 15 years (feels like centuries) ago I told folks that I stood out in the sun too long and my hair melted and ran down my face...hence the beard. <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />

...and Pete, I am still waiting for an updated photo from you to replace your mug shot!

mauro · 02-12-2004, 05:03 PM

Only to show the last (I guess!) Albert's glasses.
Seriously this is a picture I took inside my house in Paris in 2001 (I am on the left).
I would like to thank Albert for his friendship and for the help he provided to me for my book.
Ciao

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/albertandai.jpg

Pete Ebbink · 02-15-2004, 04:23 PM

Mauro,

I noticed in your LP-08 book on page 9, the English text of the caption below the same photo says Mauro is Albert and Albert is Mauro...

Actually, the English text says Albert is sitting to the right of the author...when he is actually on your left side on the sofa...

Great book and my wife is helping me with the Italian text translations...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

02-12-2004, 12:26 AM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Historical Swiss B-L's... Since Albert Beliard has come out and posted his photo in the Rogue's Gallery, I figured it would be safe to post this other photo... If I recall it was taken at the Bern Museum in Switzerland in the 1995-96 timeframe... What is significant (in addition to Albert's handsomeness... ) is what Albert is holding in his hands... The two pistols are the 1898-1899 era Borchart-Luger pistols...No. 5 and No. 6. If I am correct, these are the two oldest pistols, existing, that began to develop into the luger as we know them... No. 5 is on top and No. 6 is on the bottom... Albert showed exceptional character...a lesser gentleman would have run down the street and not looked back...! Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

02-12-2004, 12:39 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Lucky indeed Pete, dang, I would love to see one of those, let alone two! Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-12-2004, 04:44 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	I would be HAPPY to have a SHAG haircut Pete... but lately my scalp is protuding WAY above my hairline... when I retired from the army 15 years (feels like centuries) ago I told folks that I stood out in the sun too long and my hair melted and ran down my face...hence the beard. <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> ...and Pete, I am still waiting for an updated photo from you to replace your mug shot! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-12-2004, 05:03 PM	#6
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Only to show the last (I guess!) Albert's glasses. Seriously this is a picture I took inside my house in Paris in 2001 (I am on the left). I would like to thank Albert for his friendship and for the help he provided to me for my book. Ciao http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/albertandai.jpg __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

02-12-2004, 03:32 PM	#3
Imperial Arms Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Malta, EU Posts: 579 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Thank you Pete, but I look more handsome with my new glasses! Furthermore, in the above image I did not have any grey hairs popping out! If you look very carefully, notice the different finish between both B/L pistols on the 'nipple' on the sideframe and the tiny safety lever. The differences can be seen better on the images posted on my web site. Cheers, Albert

02-12-2004, 04:08 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Albert, As most of us are probably well aware, there are some fashion items from our pasts that we would all just rather forget... I cannot believe I wore those stupid platform shoes like Elton John did in the late '70's and even wore a haircut called a "shag" (I think)...and just to think some young folks are rediscovering them in this century... Just glad there are no photos of me in those days... Thanks for not minding the posting of your photo. Just thought that moment in your luger career with those historical lugers should be shared with others... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

02-15-2004, 04:23 PM	#7
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Mauro, I noticed in your LP-08 book on page 9, the English text of the caption below the same photo says Mauro is Albert and Albert is Mauro... Actually, the English text says Albert is sitting to the right of the author...when he is actually on your left side on the sofa... Great book and my wife is helping me with the Italian text translations... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />