Need an opinion

Herb · 07-23-2004, 12:04 AM

I have the opportunity to buy this cutaway but I really need some good opinions as to it's potential worth. It in not an original but is of recent manufacture, considering the work that went into it what are your opinions as to it's value.

Pete Ebbink · 07-23-2004, 12:50 AM

Hi Herb,

IMHO, a gun is not worth a cent if one cannot shoot it...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Herb · 07-23-2004, 01:03 AM

Pete, is that a fact? How many times have you fired that Krieghoff you bought from Ralph three years ago??? <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

Edward Tinker · 07-23-2004, 10:37 AM

Learning tool...

I wouldn't mind having one of these, get kids interested, show it to old guys (people over 45) etc.

Ed

John Sabato · 07-23-2004, 11:05 AM

For OPINIONS you have definitely come to the right place Herb... this forum is full of them. I really do like the stand it's sitting on!

Honestly Herb... This is a very subjective idea... I wouldn't mind having it on the mantel, but personally, I wouldn't put much in it as an investment.

Pete Ebbink · 07-23-2004, 11:19 AM

Hi Herb,

Yup...

Every gun in my safe (including the pricey pieces) have been fired at least one time by me with 15-20 rounds. I first use my "dummy rounds" to make sure the actions work and then take them out to the range.

What is the fun of building a collection when you haven't used a gun as it is intended...for shooting.

Once that "first drive around the block" is done, those pricey pieces stay in my safe...I have a few shooter lugers to occupy my time thereafter... <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Aaron · 07-23-2004, 12:17 PM

A really tough call. It would be of some value for display in a gun shop or a table at a gun show, a paper weight, or just a curio. I think it falls into the category of a dug up relic, so it is probably of interest to someone. It may have as much as $100 worth of reuseable parts on it (too bad the sideplate is destroyed), so I would put a price of $200 to $300 on it, and I think the chances of getting your money back in the future would be pretty slim.

Ron Wood · 07-23-2004, 12:58 PM

Making a cutaway out of this piece was probably a good idea. Someone has buffed the bejeebers out of it, so at best it was a $400 shooter. As to its value, it has no intrinsic worth so you would be paying for the skilled labor that went into creating it. I have no idea how much time went into planning, setting up and making the extensive cuts, and doing the final finish, but it had to be a bunch...I am guessing in the vicinity of 100 hours. How much does an expert machinist make per hour? If it is somewhere around $50 then you have a base price of $5400. For myself, I would not spend a fraction of that amount for this type of display piece.

Edward Tinker · 07-23-2004, 01:03 PM

I am unsure if it is the same guy, but there were several of these sold on gunbroker (?)(assorted guns, one was a luger) last year? And they were asking $700 / $800 or so.

I think they are interesting and show how the gun works. Probably will bring more interest to many non-gun folks than a lot of our own collections. Maybe get one of them interested in the hobby?

Ed

Vlim · 07-23-2004, 03:38 PM

There is also a danger.

When aftermarket cutaways are made from low-end pistols and as a result fetch more than the pistol's value it may induce people to cut up perfectly decent functional lugers, just to make a fast buck.

I think a good price for this example is some 100USD below the market-value of a low-end shooter. Somewhere in the 200USD-range max for a 'stuffed luger'

Original factory-produced display pieces are a completely different ball-game, of course.

07-23-2004, 12:04 AM	#1
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Need an opinion I have the opportunity to buy this cutaway but I really need some good opinions as to it's potential worth. It in not an original but is of recent manufacture, considering the work that went into it what are your opinions as to it's value. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

07-23-2004, 01:03 AM	#3
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Pete, is that a fact? How many times have you fired that Krieghoff you bought from Ralph three years ago??? <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

07-23-2004, 10:37 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Learning tool... I wouldn't mind having one of these, get kids interested, show it to old guys (people over 45) etc. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-23-2004, 11:05 AM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	For OPINIONS you have definitely come to the right place Herb... this forum is full of them. I really do like the stand it's sitting on! Honestly Herb... This is a very subjective idea... I wouldn't mind having it on the mantel, but personally, I wouldn't put much in it as an investment. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-23-2004, 12:58 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Making a cutaway out of this piece was probably a good idea. Someone has buffed the bejeebers out of it, so at best it was a $400 shooter. As to its value, it has no intrinsic worth so you would be paying for the skilled labor that went into creating it. I have no idea how much time went into planning, setting up and making the extensive cuts, and doing the final finish, but it had to be a bunch...I am guessing in the vicinity of 100 hours. How much does an expert machinist make per hour? If it is somewhere around $50 then you have a base price of $5400. For myself, I would not spend a fraction of that amount for this type of display piece. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-23-2004, 12:50 AM	#2
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Herb, IMHO, a gun is not worth a cent if one cannot shoot it... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

07-23-2004, 11:19 AM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Herb, Yup... Every gun in my safe (including the pricey pieces) have been fired at least one time by me with 15-20 rounds. I first use my "dummy rounds" to make sure the actions work and then take them out to the range. What is the fun of building a collection when you haven't used a gun as it is intended...for shooting. Once that "first drive around the block" is done, those pricey pieces stay in my safe...I have a few shooter lugers to occupy my time thereafter... <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

07-23-2004, 12:17 PM	#7
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	A really tough call. It would be of some value for display in a gun shop or a table at a gun show, a paper weight, or just a curio. I think it falls into the category of a dug up relic, so it is probably of interest to someone. It may have as much as $100 worth of reuseable parts on it (too bad the sideplate is destroyed), so I would put a price of $200 to $300 on it, and I think the chances of getting your money back in the future would be pretty slim.

07-23-2004, 01:03 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	I am unsure if it is the same guy, but there were several of these sold on gunbroker (?)(assorted guns, one was a luger) last year? And they were asking $700 / $800 or so. I think they are interesting and show how the gun works. Probably will bring more interest to many non-gun folks than a lot of our own collections. Maybe get one of them interested in the hobby? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-23-2004, 03:38 PM	#10
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	There is also a danger. When aftermarket cutaways are made from low-end pistols and as a result fetch more than the pistol's value it may induce people to cut up perfectly decent functional lugers, just to make a fast buck. I think a good price for this example is some 100USD below the market-value of a low-end shooter. Somewhere in the 200USD-range max for a 'stuffed luger' Original factory-produced display pieces are a completely different ball-game, of course.