Halo

Dwight Gruber · 06-19-2002, 08:59 PM

Previous conversations have referred to the "halo" around characters stamped into steel gun parts. I have seen what I believe to be this halo effect, on more than one of my Lugers.

The previous conversations, however, were not particularly forthcoming on what exactly the "halo" -means-.

What does the halo indicate, as far as the finish of the gun is concerned? What causes it? What other questions am I failing to ask here due to my lack of knowledge?

--Dwight

Herb · 06-19-2002, 09:24 PM

Dwight, I'm not really sure what you mean by 'halo' effect but I think you mean the slight difference in bluing near the numbers and proof marks. I think this is caused by the stamping, or rolling, of the numbers into the steel thereby displacing the metal and causing a molecular density in the immediate area different than the rest of the steel. This density would affect the porosity of the steel and the bluing salts or chemicals would not penetrate the steel as deeply as the areas away from the stamp causing the 'halo' effect. This is pure speculation but it sounds good to me. LOL.

Ron Wood · 06-19-2002, 10:10 PM

Exactly correct Herb. The displaced metal from the stamping causes a raised area around the characters. The "halo" is a combination of the density of the metal and its effect on the bluing and the raised portion is also subject to more wear thus causing the lighter halo. However, some parts of some Lugers were finish sanded after stamping and before they were blued. A good example of this is the early Navy pieces. The receivers were sanded after stamping the proofs, but the barrels were proof stamped after bluing. Therefore the barrels will have the halo but the receivers will not.

Herb · 06-19-2002, 11:19 PM

Ron, thank you, thank you, I'm getting schmarter all the time as Benny Hill said in one of his sitcoms. One of these days I might even figure out why people like to collect Lugers, with all of their complexities and variences. No two alike, amazing considering there were over a million of them made. What would a perfectly matched, consecutively serial numbered pair be worth??

John Sabato · 06-20-2002, 11:23 AM

Herb... what would they be worth? [quote] No two alike, <hr></blockquote>...that would depend on the particular Luger VARIATION <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" />

Aaron · 06-20-2002, 12:07 PM

Click on the Owner's Corner and look at Aaron's 1914 DWM, top view in third photo from the left and you will see an excellent example of the "halo" effect.

Luke · 06-20-2002, 05:15 PM

This area has been a frustrating and questionable subject for me since I started collecting Lugers. [img]frown.gif[/img]

Example 1: I have a 1942 byf which does not appear to have been reblued, except for the barrel. I note that the serial number on the barrel is smoothly finished with no halo effect at all. Does that mean that it has been buffed and reblued?

Example 2: On the other hand, I have a 1915 DWM which has a clear, crisp halo around each digit in the serial number on the barrel.

It would be really helpful to know which guns had which numbers stamped on BEFORE and AFTER finishing and bluing. Does anyone know of a reference book which covers that? Do we have enough collective knowledge on the Forum to create such a list? [img]rolleyes.gif[/img]

Luke

Pete Ebbink · 07-04-2002, 02:03 PM

Hello Ron and others,

Can any Members post some nice close-up photos to display a good example of a halo effect; so we can all see and learn first hand ?

This beginner would really appreciate this lesson... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

p.s. I did find Aaron's photo from the old Forum. Would still like to see other examples. Aaron's photo is also a nice example of the orginal match line between the barrel and the frame...!!!

06-19-2002, 08:59 PM	#1
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Halo Previous conversations have referred to the "halo" around characters stamped into steel gun parts. I have seen what I believe to be this halo effect, on more than one of my Lugers. The previous conversations, however, were not particularly forthcoming on what exactly the "halo" -means-. What does the halo indicate, as far as the finish of the gun is concerned? What causes it? What other questions am I failing to ask here due to my lack of knowledge? --Dwight

06-19-2002, 09:24 PM	#2
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Dwight, I'm not really sure what you mean by 'halo' effect but I think you mean the slight difference in bluing near the numbers and proof marks. I think this is caused by the stamping, or rolling, of the numbers into the steel thereby displacing the metal and causing a molecular density in the immediate area different than the rest of the steel. This density would affect the porosity of the steel and the bluing salts or chemicals would not penetrate the steel as deeply as the areas away from the stamp causing the 'halo' effect. This is pure speculation but it sounds good to me. LOL. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

06-19-2002, 10:10 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Exactly correct Herb. The displaced metal from the stamping causes a raised area around the characters. The "halo" is a combination of the density of the metal and its effect on the bluing and the raised portion is also subject to more wear thus causing the lighter halo. However, some parts of some Lugers were finish sanded after stamping and before they were blued. A good example of this is the early Navy pieces. The receivers were sanded after stamping the proofs, but the barrels were proof stamped after bluing. Therefore the barrels will have the halo but the receivers will not. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-19-2002, 11:19 PM	#4
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ron, thank you, thank you, I'm getting schmarter all the time as Benny Hill said in one of his sitcoms. One of these days I might even figure out why people like to collect Lugers, with all of their complexities and variences. No two alike, amazing considering there were over a million of them made. What would a perfectly matched, consecutively serial numbered pair be worth?? __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

06-20-2002, 11:23 AM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Herb... what would they be worth? [quote] No two alike, <hr></blockquote>...that would depend on the particular Luger VARIATION <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-20-2002, 12:07 PM	#6
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Click on the Owner's Corner and look at Aaron's 1914 DWM, top view in third photo from the left and you will see an excellent example of the "halo" effect.

06-20-2002, 05:15 PM	#7
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	This area has been a frustrating and questionable subject for me since I started collecting Lugers. [img]frown.gif[/img] Example 1: I have a 1942 byf which does not appear to have been reblued, except for the barrel. I note that the serial number on the barrel is smoothly finished with no halo effect at all. Does that mean that it has been buffed and reblued? Example 2: On the other hand, I have a 1915 DWM which has a clear, crisp halo around each digit in the serial number on the barrel. It would be really helpful to know which guns had which numbers stamped on BEFORE and AFTER finishing and bluing. Does anyone know of a reference book which covers that? Do we have enough collective knowledge on the Forum to create such a list? [img]rolleyes.gif[/img] Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

07-04-2002, 02:03 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Ron and others, Can any Members post some nice close-up photos to display a good example of a halo effect; so we can all see and learn first hand ? This beginner would really appreciate this lesson... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" /> p.s. I did find Aaron's photo from the old Forum. Would still like to see other examples. Aaron's photo is also a nice example of the orginal match line between the barrel and the frame...!!!