WW1 pilots with Iron Cross and Luger Photo

Sanya · 06-24-2004, 11:12 PM

Hello,

On eBay I saw interesting photo

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...252118736&rd=1

Regards,

Sanya

Edward Tinker · 06-24-2004, 11:36 PM

Nice

Ron Smith · 06-24-2004, 11:51 PM

Dashing Fellows.....A Watt!!!
I wonder where that Luger is now??

Ron

Fritzer · 06-25-2004, 12:18 AM

military flyers excellent with the iron cross ???

Well that's the best the online translator would do.
And these days the NRA would never let him get away with having his finger on the trigger in that photo.

Interesting picture.
Fritz.

minigun · 06-25-2004, 01:20 AM

Well, no Blue Max'es I see. Just the ole Iron Cross'.

Vlim · 06-25-2004, 01:57 PM

A slightly better translation:

"Military Pilots who were rewarded with the iron cross."

Postcards Ludw. Sanke, Berlin N37
Reproduction prohibited.

It's a postcard

Ron Wood · 06-25-2004, 02:47 PM

How about a translation of "With the Iron Cross, outstanding military fliers"? Nice picture.

mauro · 06-25-2004, 06:07 PM

Thank you Sanya,
very nice photo. It is not trivial to find pilots with P08.
Ciao
mauro

Big Norm · 06-26-2004, 03:50 AM

It looks like they had non-uniform uniforms. Didn't German fliers have standard uniforms? This looks like quite an array.
Big Norm

George Anderson · 06-26-2004, 08:02 AM

Most German pilots in WWI transferred from other units and kept the uniform of the unit from which they transferred. In fact they may have been on some sort of TDY. In this photo you have a couple of cavalrymen and a few others that may be infantry or actual air service.

The formerly mounted officers are easily picked out by their open belt buckles. Many cavalry officers went into the air service as it seemed to befit their training as the scouting or recon arm of the service, also cavalry was on the way out and most fought dismounted.

The fellow second from the right may have been a Kurissair or heavy cavalry and I think he wears an observer's badge not pilot.

They are all Leutnants or Oberleutnants except the guy on the right, he's an NCO. It's interesting that through the second war, only the US required that all pilots be officers. The Germans and the British had alot of NCO pilots. I believe that in the RAF it wasn't strange to have an NCO pilot with officers as copilot and navigator. The pilot commanded.

Ron Smith · 06-26-2004, 08:49 AM

Geo, Actually the US did have NCO pilots. My Father-in-Law was a Staff Sgt in the Oregon Nat'l Guard when the US declared war. He volunteered for what then was called the Sargeant Pilot Program. He was sent to flight school in Chicago. And was assigned to a C-47 Squadron. At some point thereafter they were all commissioned. He retired as a LtCol.The highest rank he could achive, without going to OCS or West Point. Not sure how long the program was in effect.

Ron

06-24-2004, 11:12 PM	#1
Sanya User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	WW1 pilots with Iron Cross and Luger Photo Hello, On eBay I saw interesting photo http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...252118736&rd=1 Regards, Sanya

06-24-2004, 11:36 PM	#2
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06-24-2004, 11:51 PM	#3
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06-25-2004, 02:47 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,010 Thanks: 1,088 Thanked 5,149 Times in 1,694 Posts	How about a translation of "With the Iron Cross, outstanding military fliers"? Nice picture. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-25-2004, 06:07 PM	#8
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06-25-2004, 12:18 AM	#4
Fritzer User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 134 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	military flyers excellent with the iron cross ??? Well that's the best the online translator would do. And these days the NRA would never let him get away with having his finger on the trigger in that photo. Interesting picture. Fritz.

06-25-2004, 01:20 AM	#5
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 15 Thanked 19 Times in 14 Posts	Well, no Blue Max'es I see. Just the ole Iron Cross'.

06-25-2004, 01:57 PM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	A slightly better translation: "Military Pilots who were rewarded with the iron cross." Postcards Ludw. Sanke, Berlin N37 Reproduction prohibited. It's a postcard

06-26-2004, 03:50 AM	#9
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	It looks like they had non-uniform uniforms. Didn't German fliers have standard uniforms? This looks like quite an array. Big Norm

06-26-2004, 08:02 AM	#10
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Most German pilots in WWI transferred from other units and kept the uniform of the unit from which they transferred. In fact they may have been on some sort of TDY. In this photo you have a couple of cavalrymen and a few others that may be infantry or actual air service. The formerly mounted officers are easily picked out by their open belt buckles. Many cavalry officers went into the air service as it seemed to befit their training as the scouting or recon arm of the service, also cavalry was on the way out and most fought dismounted. The fellow second from the right may have been a Kurissair or heavy cavalry and I think he wears an observer's badge not pilot. They are all Leutnants or Oberleutnants except the guy on the right, he's an NCO. It's interesting that through the second war, only the US required that all pilots be officers. The Germans and the British had alot of NCO pilots. I believe that in the RAF it wasn't strange to have an NCO pilot with officers as copilot and navigator. The pilot commanded.

06-26-2004, 08:49 AM	#11
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Geo, Actually the US did have NCO pilots. My Father-in-Law was a Staff Sgt in the Oregon Nat'l Guard when the US declared war. He volunteered for what then was called the Sargeant Pilot Program. He was sent to flight school in Chicago. And was assigned to a C-47 Squadron. At some point thereafter they were all commissioned. He retired as a LtCol.The highest rank he could achive, without going to OCS or West Point. Not sure how long the program was in effect. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...