Blueprints of the Luger on eBay

Sanya · 07-31-2004, 02:21 PM

Hello,

On eBay is selling set of 30 inspection drawings made by the WW I German Infantry Construction Bureau with measurements on the Luger/P08/Parabellum pistol as produced 1914-1918. Every part is there, including the cleaning rod and the tool. With descriptions on material to be used, finish, etc. (in German, but a German-English glossary will be added). Drawings measure 11.7x16.5 (11 drawings) and 8.3x 11.7 (rest). Copies of the very hard to find original. Not bound, 35 pages total.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...258533457&rd=1

Regards,

Sanya

Herb · 07-31-2004, 02:49 PM

Sanya, those drawings had better not be for sale, I bought them shortly after they appeared. I've emailed the seller twice but so far have no response. The payment has been made and I'm getting suspicious. I can't get to the info since I bought them all I get is the sale confirmation page. Do they still show up for you as being for sale?

Edward Tinker · 07-31-2004, 03:27 PM

Herb, might be the "same" as he stated;

<blockquote>quote:<hr />...Copies of the very hard to find original<hr /></blockquote>Ed

Vlim · 07-31-2004, 04:35 PM

Hi,

Don't know this character but it's obvious he's selling copies of copies and not only one

The auction mentions he still has 22 sets on offer.

I believe Nico van Gijn once offered copies for sale as well. Could be that these are copies of his copies....

Thor · 07-31-2004, 06:46 PM

These might be the same drawings that John Sabato has offered for $20 each per set on a CD. I got a copy of them from Frank Rial about two years ago. They are HUGE TIF files.

wterrell · 07-31-2004, 08:45 PM

John S has the blueprints offered?
Details, please, John.

Herb · 07-31-2004, 08:59 PM

I didn't notice that there were 22 sets available, so they are probably still there. I still think the seller should contact the buyer on a sale like this, still no word from him one way or the other.

Vlim · 08-01-2004, 12:58 PM

Hi,

Nico confirmed these are copies of the original blueprints in his possession. A commercial set of duplicates was marketed by a German gentleman. He suspects these are copies of that commercially produced set again.

So indeed a copy of a copy of a copy

Dean · 08-01-2004, 10:33 PM

I would'nt mind having those blueprints in digital format. If anyone has them please let me know.

John Sabato · 08-09-2004, 11:32 AM

To all regarding the Luger blueprint CD. Having failed to get a response from Frank Rial after multiple attempts, I have begun to make Hi-resolution digital copies of the drawings mentioned above (they are dated 1913) so that I will not be reselling Frank Rial's work without his permission.

This is a very time consuming process since the paper copies contain some stains and stray marks that have to be digitally erased, and must actually be made in two passes due to the size of the pages and then the two images must be digitally joined to include an entire print.

This CD will also contain more drawings and blueprints that have been supplied to me from several sources. I have been working on this in my "spare" time and unfortuntely I don't have much of that... I apologize for the long delay... especially to Wes who has been extremely patient, but since this is a not for profit venture, I have no choice but to use only my spare time.

Those of you with an immediate need for a specific Luger blueprint can contact me via private message and we can work something out in the interim until the full set of prints can be made available.

07-31-2004, 02:21 PM	#1
Sanya User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Blueprints of the Luger on eBay Hello, On eBay is selling set of 30 inspection drawings made by the WW I German Infantry Construction Bureau with measurements on the Luger/P08/Parabellum pistol as produced 1914-1918. Every part is there, including the cleaning rod and the tool. With descriptions on material to be used, finish, etc. (in German, but a German-English glossary will be added). Drawings measure 11.7x16.5 (11 drawings) and 8.3x 11.7 (rest). Copies of the very hard to find original. Not bound, 35 pages total. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...258533457&rd=1 Regards, Sanya

07-31-2004, 02:49 PM	#2
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Sanya, those drawings had better not be for sale, I bought them shortly after they appeared. I've emailed the seller twice but so far have no response. The payment has been made and I'm getting suspicious. I can't get to the info since I bought them all I get is the sale confirmation page. Do they still show up for you as being for sale? __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

07-31-2004, 03:27 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Herb, might be the "same" as he stated; </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">...Copies of the very hard to find original</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-31-2004, 06:46 PM	#5
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	These might be the same drawings that John Sabato has offered for $20 each per set on a CD. I got a copy of them from Frank Rial about two years ago. They are HUGE TIF files. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

07-31-2004, 08:45 PM	#6
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	John S has the blueprints offered? Details, please, John. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

07-31-2004, 04:35 PM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, Don't know this character but it's obvious he's selling copies of copies and not only one The auction mentions he still has 22 sets on offer. I believe Nico van Gijn once offered copies for sale as well. Could be that these are copies of his copies....

07-31-2004, 08:59 PM	#7
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I didn't notice that there were 22 sets available, so they are probably still there. I still think the seller should contact the buyer on a sale like this, still no word from him one way or the other. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

08-01-2004, 12:58 PM	#8
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, Nico confirmed these are copies of the original blueprints in his possession. A commercial set of duplicates was marketed by a German gentleman. He suspects these are copies of that commercially produced set again. So indeed a copy of a copy of a copy

08-01-2004, 10:33 PM	#9
Dean User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: PA Posts: 132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I would'nt mind having those blueprints in digital format. If anyone has them please let me know. __________________ Carpe Diem, Parabellum

08-09-2004, 11:32 AM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	To all regarding the Luger blueprint CD. Having failed to get a response from Frank Rial after multiple attempts, I have begun to make Hi-resolution digital copies of the drawings mentioned above (they are dated 1913) so that I will not be reselling Frank Rial's work without his permission. This is a very time consuming process since the paper copies contain some stains and stray marks that have to be digitally erased, and must actually be made in two passes due to the size of the pages and then the two images must be digitally joined to include an entire print. This CD will also contain more drawings and blueprints that have been supplied to me from several sources. I have been working on this in my "spare" time and unfortuntely I don't have much of that... I apologize for the long delay... especially to Wes who has been extremely patient, but since this is a not for profit venture, I have no choice but to use only my spare time. Those of you with an immediate need for a specific Luger blueprint can contact me via private message and we can work something out in the interim until the full set of prints can be made available. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*