1907 US Army tests - Page 2

Vlim · 06-19-2004, 10:39 AM

Hi,

Reviewing and rereading all this may lead to some surprising conclusions.

Ed: You mentioned a new article being written. By whom and where to be published?

All in all, I think that the 55degree versions, as pictured in the article and Mr. Shattucks carabine are either the same gun, later reworked into a carabine or that a test luger, with a shot-out barrel, was returned to DWM and later rebuilt as a carabine.

I therefore believe that the 55degree versions are the 2 original test versions, made under GL's direct supervision.

I believe the others, including the #2, are from DWM's supply and never left DWM for US testing, but were made up for inhouse testing and production setup purposes.

Of course, I don't have a shred of evidence, other than the photographs of several .45s.

Update: The booklet arrived today. It's issue 34 of the 'Kleine Waffen - Bibliothek', by H.B. Lockhoven, published in 1969/1970.

No reference to other work. It appears that mr. Lockhoven used the original trial reports as only source.

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06-19-2004, 10:39 AM	#21
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, Reviewing and rereading all this may lead to some surprising conclusions. Ed: You mentioned a new article being written. By whom and where to be published? All in all, I think that the 55degree versions, as pictured in the article and Mr. Shattucks carabine are either the same gun, later reworked into a carabine or that a test luger, with a shot-out barrel, was returned to DWM and later rebuilt as a carabine. I therefore believe that the 55degree versions are the 2 original test versions, made under GL's direct supervision. I believe the others, including the #2, are from DWM's supply and never left DWM for US testing, but were made up for inhouse testing and production setup purposes. Of course, I don't have a shred of evidence, other than the photographs of several .45s. Update: The booklet arrived today. It's issue 34 of the 'Kleine Waffen - Bibliothek', by H.B. Lockhoven, published in 1969/1970. No reference to other work. It appears that mr. Lockhoven used the original trial reports as only source. <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/45_test_small.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/45_test_small.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>