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Thor · 09-02-2003, 05:32 PM

I dont use the stock lug anymore, I put them inside the magazine well. You have to remove the magazine to see it. I find it less obtrusive, but findable that way. I have been using this location for several years now.

policeluger · 09-02-2003, 05:40 PM

I expected this point, and glad you brought it up. As I stated, a complete restored/reworked/reblue gun, however you want too state it, will most assurdily have the metal stroke marks, and a total over all look of rework. Not too mention the color blue say from a pre-war mod 70 that I have never seen duplicated. We can easily look at for example the one reworked gun in my collection, I brought it too Reno gun show and you looked at it, a nice but refinished Simson Police, and Ralph Shattuck examined it and estimated its value, based in part on being reblued (beautiful rust blue). For the knoweledgable, at least we keep trying too learn, we try our best too spot fakes and bolstered guns, but for the novice/first time buyer will these touched up guns fools them into buying something perhaps misrepresented or "you didn't ask so I won't tell". I have done more Colts/Win's and others then I care too remember, I don't think I have ever done a touch up blue job, and touch up is what this is all about. I have had very knowledgable collectors over the years point out good (factory correct) from rework guns in the estates I have taken in and sold, always an inspection period. But then again an inspection period is not much good if you do not know what you are looking at. And do you really think that 99.9% of the first time luger buyers even know Thor/me or and one else out there blueing guns? so a log of rework is of little value too them. There are some great Colt SAA restorers out there, their complete restorations are a work of wonder, does any knowledgable buyer of Colt SAA think an 1888 gun looks factory new? OK Ed, I believe too the untrained, parts of my work can be passed off as new, NOW...the question again, and I would like too hear from Ted, do you mark/proof your TOUCHED UP work??

Edward Tinker · 09-02-2003, 07:42 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />OK Ed, I believe too the untrained, parts of my work can be passed off as new, NOW...<hr /></blockquote>Knowledge is everything isn't it, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Eduardo the almost trained

Herb · 09-02-2003, 08:54 PM

For those that are relatively new to Luger collecting I highly recommend that you purchase Volume 24, number 4, of the 2002 issue of Man at Arms magazine which contains an excellant guide to spotting Luger restorations by Dave Norin a member of the American Custom Gunmakers Guild. His article goes into great detail on how to spot restorations and is invaluable to the beginning, and veteran, collector. Even Ted leaves a telltale signature that can be spotted. Get it!
http://www.manatarmsbooks.com/oldissue.html
Scroll down to the issue near the bottom.

policeluger · 09-02-2003, 09:22 PM

Still no answer, yes Ted marks his total jobs, but the touch up question may go un-answered....too touchy a subject.

Edward Tinker · 09-03-2003, 12:09 AM

Yes, it is a bit touchy, if it was directed at me, we'd be in flame wars. It just appears that you are trying to get to the bottom of something, but I guess Ted doesn't know what you are trying to show or prove?

BTW, I'd be pissed if it was directed at me Howard, cuz it sounds like you are questioning his tactics or methods?

If there is something in specific that you want to know, I think I'd take it up in a private, not public forum?

Ed

policeluger · 09-03-2003, 12:14 AM

I will drop it, and take from his refusal too answer, the answer.

Pete Ebbink · 09-05-2003, 08:36 PM

Hello Ted,

I am sure all of us appreciate your willingness to have folks call you to see if any luger, they might be contemplating buying, has come across your hands for some help...cannot be more honest than that, IMHO...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Luke · 09-05-2003, 09:36 PM

Ted is one of the most honest people I have had the good fortune to know. I feel he does all that could be expected to identify his work, and I know of no other refinisher who marks even fully restored Lugers.

Marking of strawed parts, for example, would be highly impractical.

Just my 2 cents.

Luke

Luke · 09-05-2003, 09:57 PM

Test Message. Please ignore.

09-02-2003, 05:32 PM	#41
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	I dont use the stock lug anymore, I put them inside the magazine well. You have to remove the magazine to see it. I find it less obtrusive, but findable that way. I have been using this location for several years now. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

09-02-2003, 07:42 PM	#43
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">OK Ed, I believe too the untrained, parts of my work can be passed off as new, NOW...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Knowledge is everything isn't it, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Eduardo the almost trained __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-02-2003, 08:54 PM	#44
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	For those that are relatively new to Luger collecting I highly recommend that you purchase Volume 24, number 4, of the 2002 issue of Man at Arms magazine which contains an excellant guide to spotting Luger restorations by Dave Norin a member of the American Custom Gunmakers Guild. His article goes into great detail on how to spot restorations and is invaluable to the beginning, and veteran, collector. Even Ted leaves a telltale signature that can be spotted. Get it! http://www.manatarmsbooks.com/oldissue.html Scroll down to the issue near the bottom. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

09-03-2003, 12:09 AM	#46
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Yes, it is a bit touchy, if it was directed at me, we'd be in flame wars. It just appears that you are trying to get to the bottom of something, but I guess Ted doesn't know what you are trying to show or prove? BTW, I'd be pissed if it was directed at me Howard, cuz it sounds like you are questioning his tactics or methods? If there is something in specific that you want to know, I think I'd take it up in a private, not public forum? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-05-2003, 09:36 PM	#49
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Ted is one of the most honest people I have had the good fortune to know. I feel he does all that could be expected to identify his work, and I know of no other refinisher who marks even fully restored Lugers. Marking of strawed parts, for example, would be highly impractical. Just my 2 cents. Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

09-02-2003, 05:40 PM	#42
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	I expected this point, and glad you brought it up. As I stated, a complete restored/reworked/reblue gun, however you want too state it, will most assurdily have the metal stroke marks, and a total over all look of rework. Not too mention the color blue say from a pre-war mod 70 that I have never seen duplicated. We can easily look at for example the one reworked gun in my collection, I brought it too Reno gun show and you looked at it, a nice but refinished Simson Police, and Ralph Shattuck examined it and estimated its value, based in part on being reblued (beautiful rust blue). For the knoweledgable, at least we keep trying too learn, we try our best too spot fakes and bolstered guns, but for the novice/first time buyer will these touched up guns fools them into buying something perhaps misrepresented or "you didn't ask so I won't tell". I have done more Colts/Win's and others then I care too remember, I don't think I have ever done a touch up blue job, and touch up is what this is all about. I have had very knowledgable collectors over the years point out good (factory correct) from rework guns in the estates I have taken in and sold, always an inspection period. But then again an inspection period is not much good if you do not know what you are looking at. And do you really think that 99.9% of the first time luger buyers even know Thor/me or and one else out there blueing guns? so a log of rework is of little value too them. There are some great Colt SAA restorers out there, their complete restorations are a work of wonder, does any knowledgable buyer of Colt SAA think an 1888 gun looks factory new? OK Ed, I believe too the untrained, parts of my work can be passed off as new, NOW...the question again, and I would like too hear from Ted, do you mark/proof your TOUCHED UP work??

09-02-2003, 09:22 PM	#45
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Still no answer, yes Ted marks his total jobs, but the touch up question may go un-answered....too touchy a subject.

09-03-2003, 12:14 AM	#47
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	I will drop it, and take from his refusal too answer, the answer.

09-05-2003, 08:36 PM	#48
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Ted, I am sure all of us appreciate your willingness to have folks call you to see if any luger, they might be contemplating buying, has come across your hands for some help...cannot be more honest than that, IMHO... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

09-05-2003, 09:57 PM	#50
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Test Message. Please ignore. __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther