Repro Brown Bakalite...?

Pete Ebbink · 02-13-2004, 11:56 AM

Now on auction :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=36049

Never heard of this, before...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

John Sabato · 02-13-2004, 12:08 PM

Me either Pete... looks like someone (who apparently can't spell very well) made a mold of a genuine wooden mag bottom and is producing them with injection molding...

I am sure they are functional, but for what they are asking including shipping, you could just about have a handmade wooden masterpiece mag bottom from either GT or Viggo...

For the same price, you can usually buy new Triple-K reprodcution mags on ebay most of the time... If they were $5.00 including shipping I would consider them worth it... but not $14.95 plus shipping...AND THAT'S JUST THE STARTING BID!

G.T. · 02-13-2004, 02:39 PM

Hi Guys! The bottom pictured would be a product of a casting process using a liquid thermal setting resin with a catylist??... probably done along the lines of rubber mold, slurry casting like jewelers do for rings and settings and such... they just didn't use metal.. hence the reproduction of numbers, etc., in the casting... original powdered phenolic compression molded parts require pressure and heat (in a mold) to cause the thermal setting reaction in the plastic... which makes it "go off" so to speak... giving bakeolite (sp?) its shiney and perfect appearance.... nice effort, but pretty far off the mark! Don't know for sure, but this is what it looks like to me! til...lat'r....GT

Heinz · 02-13-2004, 09:14 PM

GT I believe you are rigt on the mark, this is a phenolic casting not a pressure molding unless a centrifical spring mold was used. PRobably fairly low strength. Let us hope he does not get any better at producing these fake bottoms.

Sieger · 02-14-2004, 12:33 AM

Hi:

My FXOs have black "plastic" bottoms, so why are these repos brown?

Sieger

ViggoG · 02-14-2004, 01:49 AM

I Hate to be Caustic,... <img border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" title="" src="graemlins/cussing.gif" />
But in this case I'll Make An Exception !!!
With a postage of $4.00 ea. the seller should throw in the Butts at no charge !... <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" />
The quality would only deserve a failing grade in any "Fly By Nite Shop On the Chicago Loop's Back Alleys".... <img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" />
Just My Opinion !
ViggoG... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

Lugerdoc · 02-14-2004, 10:46 AM

JS et al, I have plenty of black, white and brown (Swiss M29) plastic bottoms (MecGar, Franzite, etc.) available from mags that I have stripped for parts @$10 each or 3 for $25 postpaid. I also have a lot of chipped or repaired cracked original wood bottoms available at the same price. Sorry no decent FXO type available. TH

John Sabato · 02-15-2004, 12:00 PM

Too bad that no one has figured out a way to inexpensively produce FXO type reproduction bottoms for all those cracked and chipped originals!

I wonder how difficult it would be to make those out of wood? Viggo? GT?

02-13-2004, 11:56 AM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Repro Brown Bakalite...? Now on auction : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=36049 Never heard of this, before... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

02-13-2004, 12:08 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Me either Pete... looks like someone (who apparently can't spell very well) made a mold of a genuine wooden mag bottom and is producing them with injection molding... I am sure they are functional, but for what they are asking including shipping, you could just about have a handmade wooden masterpiece mag bottom from either GT or Viggo... For the same price, you can usually buy new Triple-K reprodcution mags on ebay most of the time... If they were $5.00 including shipping I would consider them worth it... but not $14.95 plus shipping...AND THAT'S JUST THE STARTING BID! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-14-2004, 10:46 AM	#7
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	JS et al, I have plenty of black, white and brown (Swiss M29) plastic bottoms (MecGar, Franzite, etc.) available from mags that I have stripped for parts @$10 each or 3 for $25 postpaid. I also have a lot of chipped or repaired cracked original wood bottoms available at the same price. Sorry no decent FXO type available. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

02-15-2004, 12:00 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Too bad that no one has figured out a way to inexpensively produce FXO type reproduction bottoms for all those cracked and chipped originals! I wonder how difficult it would be to make those out of wood? Viggo? GT? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-13-2004, 02:39 PM	#3
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,284 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	Hi Guys! The bottom pictured would be a product of a casting process using a liquid thermal setting resin with a catylist??... probably done along the lines of rubber mold, slurry casting like jewelers do for rings and settings and such... they just didn't use metal.. hence the reproduction of numbers, etc., in the casting... original powdered phenolic compression molded parts require pressure and heat (in a mold) to cause the thermal setting reaction in the plastic... which makes it "go off" so to speak... giving bakeolite (sp?) its shiney and perfect appearance.... nice effort, but pretty far off the mark! Don't know for sure, but this is what it looks like to me! til...lat'r....GT

02-13-2004, 09:14 PM	#4
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	GT I believe you are rigt on the mark, this is a phenolic casting not a pressure molding unless a centrifical spring mold was used. PRobably fairly low strength. Let us hope he does not get any better at producing these fake bottoms.

02-14-2004, 12:33 AM	#5
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 2,124 Thanked 400 Times in 249 Posts	Hi: My FXOs have black "plastic" bottoms, so why are these repos brown? Sieger

02-14-2004, 01:49 AM	#6
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I Hate to be Caustic,... <img border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" title="" src="graemlins/cussing.gif" /> But in this case I'll Make An Exception !!! With a postage of $4.00 ea. the seller should throw in the Butts at no charge !... <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" /> The quality would only deserve a failing grade in any "Fly By Nite Shop On the Chicago Loop's Back Alleys".... <img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" /> Just My Opinion ! ViggoG... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />