s/42 1936 with oversize toggle pin

lugercollector · 06-08-2003, 12:15 AM

Here are some photos of a 1936 Mauser Luger with an unusual toggle pin....the gun is all matching in original condition(all matching except mag,not reblued)...perhaps this is a left over Navy receiver from ww1?...does anyone know the size of the Navy toggle pin?...I could then measure and compare...Thanks...Peter...

Jim Keenan · 06-08-2003, 09:38 PM

Hi, Peter,

I confess to being a "newbie" on some of the more exotic details of Lugers, but I was unaware that there was any difference in the receiver axle (rear toggle pin) between the early and late pistols. No parts list I have indicates that there is a difference or that the date of the pistol is needed when ordering.

FYI, the standard pin is .282" (7.16mm) in the shank, and .318" (7.88mm) across the head. If that one is larger, I suspect it may be a gunsmith job to replace a worn one, or maybe just the replacement of a lost pin with what was "on hand" and the hole drilled to match. FWIW, the one marked "42" clearly seems to fit, where the one marked "73" is undersize, at least at the head.

The numbering means nothing, of course. Any pin could have been numbered to match its pistol.

Jim

lugercollector · 06-08-2003, 09:43 PM

Hi Jim...Thanks for the reply....the #73 pin was just put in to compare the size difference....I wonder if the oversize pin is the same as a 1917 Navy Luger pin....Peter..

kidvett · 06-08-2003, 11:12 PM

Hello Peter,

I have seen differences in ``regular ``toggle rear pins. Some have a machines circular ridge below the pin head & some dont ( more scarce ). The PIC shows a 1920 pin without the machined circle on top with an S/42 pin below that has the machined circular ridge below the head. Both have the same `` regular `` head size compared to a 1916 DWM Navy that has a head diameter of 0.355. I dont know if this helps but it is just to illustrate differences in toggle rear pins...

Marc
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Lugerdoc · 06-10-2003, 11:22 AM

Peter, There are at least 4 different sized flanges on luger rear axels (don't have time now to measure them) in order of increasing size: M1900, Standard PO8, 1908-1917 Navy, and the 1970s Mauser Parabellum. I have owned Weimar era commerical that used up left over post 1906 Navy receivers, so I guess that this was even possible as late as your 1936. TH

tracyp · 06-10-2003, 01:22 PM

Since the 70's Mauser equipment came from the Swiss, do the Swiss and 70's Mausers have the same size flanges? Unfortunately, I don't have a Swiss to compare it with.

lugercollector · 06-11-2003, 11:57 AM

Interesting replies Gentlemen...it appears this may be original (Thanks Tom!)....I will pull out the micrometer(hope I remember how to read it)...and see if it measures 0.355 (Thanks Mark!).... will report the measurement.... Peter..

MauserLugers · 06-11-2003, 01:13 PM

Hi,
I have a G-date Luger which has the rear connecting pin bigger just like you have described. In my opinion I feel this was done at the time of assembly or at an arsenal as my G-date has two matching magazines and is in excellent condition. A complete rig as received by the vet who brought it back. -- Bill

ken d · 06-11-2003, 08:22 PM

I have a 1916/1920 Erfurt that has the large head toggle axel pin. No acceptance or proof marks other than the ordinary on the pin or Luger. It will interchange perfectly with my 1917 DWM Navy. Why? I dont know

Regards

Ken D

06-08-2003, 12:15 AM	#1
lugercollector Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	s/42 1936 with oversize toggle pin Here are some photos of a 1936 Mauser Luger with an unusual toggle pin....the gun is all matching in original condition(all matching except mag,not reblued)...perhaps this is a left over Navy receiver from ww1?...does anyone know the size of the Navy toggle pin?...I could then measure and compare...Thanks...Peter...

06-10-2003, 11:22 AM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Peter, There are at least 4 different sized flanges on luger rear axels (don't have time now to measure them) in order of increasing size: M1900, Standard PO8, 1908-1917 Navy, and the 1970s Mauser Parabellum. I have owned Weimar era commerical that used up left over post 1906 Navy receivers, so I guess that this was even possible as late as your 1936. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

06-08-2003, 09:38 PM	#2
Jim Keenan User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 184 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hi, Peter, I confess to being a "newbie" on some of the more exotic details of Lugers, but I was unaware that there was any difference in the receiver axle (rear toggle pin) between the early and late pistols. No parts list I have indicates that there is a difference or that the date of the pistol is needed when ordering. FYI, the standard pin is .282" (7.16mm) in the shank, and .318" (7.88mm) across the head. If that one is larger, I suspect it may be a gunsmith job to replace a worn one, or maybe just the replacement of a lost pin with what was "on hand" and the hole drilled to match. FWIW, the one marked "42" clearly seems to fit, where the one marked "73" is undersize, at least at the head. The numbering means nothing, of course. Any pin could have been numbered to match its pistol. Jim

06-08-2003, 09:43 PM	#3
lugercollector Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	Hi Jim...Thanks for the reply....the #73 pin was just put in to compare the size difference....I wonder if the oversize pin is the same as a 1917 Navy Luger pin....Peter..

06-08-2003, 11:12 PM	#4
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hello Peter, I have seen differences in ``regular ``toggle rear pins. Some have a machines circular ridge below the pin head & some dont ( more scarce ). The PIC shows a 1920 pin without the machined circle on top with an S/42 pin below that has the machined circular ridge below the head. Both have the same `` regular `` head size compared to a 1916 DWM Navy that has a head diameter of 0.355. I dont know if this helps but it is just to illustrate differences in toggle rear pins... Marc <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

06-10-2003, 01:22 PM	#6
tracyp User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Peoples Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 391 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Since the 70's Mauser equipment came from the Swiss, do the Swiss and 70's Mausers have the same size flanges? Unfortunately, I don't have a Swiss to compare it with.

06-11-2003, 11:57 AM	#7
lugercollector Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	Interesting replies Gentlemen...it appears this may be original (Thanks Tom!)....I will pull out the micrometer(hope I remember how to read it)...and see if it measures 0.355 (Thanks Mark!).... will report the measurement.... Peter..

06-11-2003, 01:13 PM	#8
MauserLugers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Philipsburg, Montana 59858 Posts: 250 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Hi, I have a G-date Luger which has the rear connecting pin bigger just like you have described. In my opinion I feel this was done at the time of assembly or at an arsenal as my G-date has two matching magazines and is in excellent condition. A complete rig as received by the vet who brought it back. -- Bill

06-11-2003, 08:22 PM	#9
ken d Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: louisville ky Posts: 277 Thanks: 31 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	I have a 1916/1920 Erfurt that has the large head toggle axel pin. No acceptance or proof marks other than the ordinary on the pin or Luger. It will interchange perfectly with my 1917 DWM Navy. Why? I dont know Regards Ken D