my 1915 DWM with my friends TM 08 - Page 2

karmast · 01-22-2003, 04:17 PM

yes, thats it... can anybody tell, how it worked?

John Sabato · 01-22-2003, 04:53 PM

karmast,

Yes, it is true that Herr GÃ?Â¶rtz passed away last year. His knowledge of Lugers and their history is sadly missed by all.

I have never seen the other side of this type of sideplate... perhaps someone who has one can post a photograph of the mechanism behind the sideplate.

I am certain that possession of such a sideplate in the U.S. would fall under the National Firearms Act of 1934 because the device would be considered a machinegun, even if you didn't have possession of a Luger.

Pete Ebbink · 01-22-2003, 06:18 PM

Guys,

I won't be back near my luger books until this weekend...

I think I recall seeing the patent drawings of the Navarro Brother's (from Mexico around 1906...)patent for selective fire automation of the luger in John Walter's book, The Luger Book...

If someone has this book and can scan, please do so...otherwise I will try on Saturday...

p.s. Speaking of scanning, are we violating copyright laws when we scan a page/photo from a book and post here on the Luger Forum...? Whenever I do such a scan, I always try to give an author and/or photo credit in the text of my posting...

Regards,

Pete <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Edward Tinker · 01-22-2003, 06:27 PM

I think we should give credit, as that is nice to see where the picture came from.
When I was teaching classes at night, I read that portions of a book may be used for educational purposes, and there was a percent applied, (I don't remember that percent).

But it is also allowed for book reviews, educational purposes, etc.

Dieter08 · 01-24-2003, 10:30 AM

I have the newest book of GÃ?Â¶rtz and there are some other pics of that sideplate. There are also the numbers of the patends. I'll try to get some copies of them. I let you know if i will succeed.

John Sabato · 01-24-2003, 03:08 PM

Pete,

In answer to your question, the explicit purpose of this forum is education and the study of history... I am fairly certain that as long as graphics are attributed to the source whenever possible, we would not be in violation of a copywrite to produce a minor extract from a published source like a single photo or a paragraph...

Perhaps if there are any Lawyers among the forum membership, they might comment on this...

Edward Tinker · 01-24-2003, 03:13 PM

So John, my answer wasn't detailed enough <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

I thought I said that?

Man, now they can't even see my words, boy, to be seen and not heard and NOW, to not even be seen...

Lugers down under · 01-24-2003, 03:30 PM

The comments regarding Austrailia and the collectors selling all their guns and high capacity (Trommel) mags is simply not correct.
True, from what we observe here in New Zealand, that there has been a huge clean up of "Saturday nite specials collectors" but the serious Luger collectors seem to be OK. I know, because their dollar is maginally better than ours and they keep beating me up at gun auctions for Lugers.
I have a Luger collector friend in Brisbane whom seems to have been left alone but there certainly been a lot of guns destroyed,especially Military Style Semiauto rifles and some pistols.
As regard to price for snail drum mag is simply that the market price for them dowm under is about $1000 to $1500 NZ or Aust dollars (depending on condition) which was about a third of the price you pay in US dollars when the exchange rate is taken into consideration but lately that has changed due to the weakening US Dollar.
I trust this is of some interest.
Murray.

" The only regrets about Luger collectings are the Lugers that one sold and the Lugers that one did not buy".

John Sabato · 01-24-2003, 04:48 PM

Naw Ed!

I was just supporting what you said! Besides, how could I not see you... you are Everywhere ! and you are almost 200 message posts ahead of me!

...and besides the last time I checked you weren't a lawyer either and don't play one on TV... it would be nice to hear a free legal opinion from somebody like Ad Yeaman... which reminds me, I haven't seen a post from him in a LONG time. Time for an email to check up on him.

Edward Tinker · 01-24-2003, 09:59 PM

Hey John, not long ago I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, so...

Yes, I work on the pc or laptop all day and take toooo many breaks.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

01-22-2003, 04:17 PM	#21
karmast User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	yes, thats it... can anybody tell, how it worked? __________________ Every Luger tells a story - but you have to find out what it says..

01-22-2003, 04:53 PM	#22
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	karmast, Yes, it is true that Herr GÃ?Â¶rtz passed away last year. His knowledge of Lugers and their history is sadly missed by all. I have never seen the other side of this type of sideplate... perhaps someone who has one can post a photograph of the mechanism behind the sideplate. I am certain that possession of such a sideplate in the U.S. would fall under the National Firearms Act of 1934 because the device would be considered a machinegun, even if you didn't have possession of a Luger. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-22-2003, 06:27 PM	#24
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	I think we should give credit, as that is nice to see where the picture came from. When I was teaching classes at night, I read that portions of a book may be used for educational purposes, and there was a percent applied, (I don't remember that percent). But it is also allowed for book reviews, educational purposes, etc. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-24-2003, 03:08 PM	#26
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Pete, In answer to your question, the explicit purpose of this forum is education and the study of history... I am fairly certain that as long as graphics are attributed to the source whenever possible, we would not be in violation of a copywrite to produce a minor extract from a published source like a single photo or a paragraph... Perhaps if there are any Lawyers among the forum membership, they might comment on this... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-24-2003, 03:13 PM	#27
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	So John, my answer wasn't detailed enough <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> I thought I said that? Man, now they can't even see my words, boy, to be seen and not heard and NOW, to not even be seen... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-22-2003, 06:18 PM	#23
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Guys, I won't be back near my luger books until this weekend... I think I recall seeing the patent drawings of the Navarro Brother's (from Mexico around 1906...)patent for selective fire automation of the luger in John Walter's book, The Luger Book... If someone has this book and can scan, please do so...otherwise I will try on Saturday... p.s. Speaking of scanning, are we violating copyright laws when we scan a page/photo from a book and post here on the Luger Forum...? Whenever I do such a scan, I always try to give an author and/or photo credit in the text of my posting... Regards, Pete <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

01-24-2003, 10:30 AM	#25
Dieter08 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have the newest book of GÃ?Â¶rtz and there are some other pics of that sideplate. There are also the numbers of the patends. I'll try to get some copies of them. I let you know if i will succeed.

01-24-2003, 03:30 PM	#28
Lugers down under User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Great Barrier Island, New Zealand Posts: 228 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	The comments regarding Austrailia and the collectors selling all their guns and high capacity (Trommel) mags is simply not correct. True, from what we observe here in New Zealand, that there has been a huge clean up of "Saturday nite specials collectors" but the serious Luger collectors seem to be OK. I know, because their dollar is maginally better than ours and they keep beating me up at gun auctions for Lugers. I have a Luger collector friend in Brisbane whom seems to have been left alone but there certainly been a lot of guns destroyed,especially Military Style Semiauto rifles and some pistols. As regard to price for snail drum mag is simply that the market price for them dowm under is about $1000 to $1500 NZ or Aust dollars (depending on condition) which was about a third of the price you pay in US dollars when the exchange rate is taken into consideration but lately that has changed due to the weakening US Dollar. I trust this is of some interest. Murray. " The only regrets about Luger collectings are the Lugers that one sold and the Lugers that one did not buy". __________________ Lugers down under

01-24-2003, 04:48 PM	#29
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Naw Ed! I was just supporting what you said! Besides, how could I not see you... you are Everywhere ! and you are almost 200 message posts ahead of me! ...and besides the last time I checked you weren't a lawyer either and don't play one on TV... it would be nice to hear a free legal opinion from somebody like Ad Yeaman... which reminds me, I haven't seen a post from him in a LONG time. Time for an email to check up on him. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-24-2003, 09:59 PM	#30
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	Hey John, not long ago I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, so... Yes, I work on the pc or laptop all day and take toooo many breaks.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV