correct replacement magazine

Don H. · 11-28-2002, 01:11 PM

I'm trying to find out what would be the correct armoners replacement magazine for a 1941 code 42 P-08. I have one original mag with the gun and it is a type three army with 122 on the spine. Would a type four black widow be correct. Can anyone help me with this. Thanks Don

Edward Tinker · 11-28-2002, 01:23 PM

Don, what is your serial number, including suffix? That will give the time frame needed. Although for my 1940 42, the 122 is the correct one, my suffix is h.

Don H. · 11-28-2002, 04:03 PM

Ed my Luger ser.# is 3279o. I have a type 4 mag with a black plastic bottom and is marked fxo and I also have a type 4 mag. with an aluminum bottom also fxo with a stick wing eagle 37 stamped on the bottom which is a replacement mag. I'm wondering if either one will work to complete my rig? Thanks Don

Edward Tinker · 11-28-2002, 06:07 PM

From 3rd Reich Lugers by Still.

1941 (marked just 41) 42's were made in serial range 2500n - 6700r, so yours was made right in the first thousand of that batch, only 7000 were made.

Army acceptance stamp should be E/655

Type 3 and Type 4 magazines were made in 1941.

The type 4 was specifically made in 1941 and 42.

They are period and in my estimation correct. Hopefuly a magazine expert can jump in and answer more definitively.

Ed

Don H. · 11-28-2002, 06:27 PM

Was there any type 3 or 4 replacement magazines made with a E/655 that you know of? If so do you think this might be a better magazine for my 41/42 Luger? Don

Edward Tinker · 11-28-2002, 06:34 PM

The book just states type 2 with droop E/63, Stick E/63, E/83, large e/63 and E/655 issued with 1936, 37, 38, 39 and early 1940.

Type 3 army is 122 code and E/37.

Frank · 11-29-2002, 09:52 AM

Hi Don, 41 Code 42 Lugers used several types of magazines. Pistols in the O-Block were issued with E/122 and E/37 (fxo), both with aluminum bottoms. Further, there are two types of aluminum bottom fxo type magazines. They differ in the arrangement of the "P08" stamp on the side near the spine. Some later O-Block Lugers had the type with the "8" on "P08" closest to the bottom (the other type would have the "P" closest to the bottom and were issued later in the 1941 production).

As far as I am concerned, no information is available to me that indicates a black plastic bottom fxo type was issued with any 41 Code 42, O-Block Luger, or any 41 Code 42 for that matter.

There are E/655 armorers aluminum bottom magazines around, without serial numbers, but the E/655 "magazine" stamp went out with the end of the first third of the 1940 Code 42 production.

Hope this helps!!

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Don H. · 11-29-2002, 11:06 AM

What I'm trying to do is add one magazine to my rig to complete it. The Mag. that is with the luger now is 122 on the spine with two SE37's on the spine, the bottom is marked 3279o+ indicating the secound mag. If during the war the first mag. was damaged of lost what do you think the armorer would of given the soldier as a replacement? On page 77 of Jan Stills book Third Reich Lugers it shows a 41/42 with the ser.# that is close to mine with a fxo type 4 mag.this is why I was thinking that maybe this type could of been a replacement for mine also but I'm not sure. I also have a type 4 mag. with fxo and P08 only stamped on the spine (no se37's). The P08 is stamped with the P closest to the bottom. Stamped on the bottom is a small SE37 towards the top. What Luger is this mag. a replacement for? Thanks for the help I'm a little stumped on this one. Don

Stu · 11-29-2002, 12:10 PM

Were Lugers issued to front line combat troops in WWII or reserved for issue to other branches, (airforce, rear echelon personel, police etc) ?

During war service would a mag be considered a consumable ?

I'd have thought that if you wanted a replacement mag you'd get whatever happened to be lying around that worked. Are there any good books that cover this type of operational aspect of the war ?

Frank · 11-29-2002, 01:23 PM

Hi Again Don, Stu is correct, depending on the circumstances. In the field, I believe you would pick up what is available, matching or not, proper or not. Depending on when the magazine was lost, broken, etc. a plastic botton could be substituted, by an armorer.

I think you have to come up with a scenario you are trying to achieve, then look for that magazine.

Sounds to me that whatever you have, might be good enough!!

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Edward Tinker · 11-29-2002, 01:37 PM

P08's were issued through the war as primary combat weapons. (Third Reich Lugers and the new Luger book from the propaganda series shows them in use from the Eastern Front to the Western Front).

I know that the P38 was officially made the primary weapon, but since so many Lugers were in use and made till 42/43 (with scattered ones made after that) that 100,000's were in use.

I know that magazines were considered disposable, as I am guessing all guns were also. If you lost one in combat, you could get a new one issued in the US combat front.

11-28-2002, 01:11 PM	#1
Don H. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque,NM. Posts: 96 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	correct replacement magazine I'm trying to find out what would be the correct armoners replacement magazine for a 1941 code 42 P-08. I have one original mag with the gun and it is a type three army with 122 on the spine. Would a type four black widow be correct. Can anyone help me with this. Thanks Don

11-28-2002, 01:23 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,924 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,518 Times in 2,087 Posts	Don, what is your serial number, including suffix? That will give the time frame needed. Although for my 1940 42, the 122 is the correct one, my suffix is h. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-28-2002, 06:07 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,924 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,518 Times in 2,087 Posts	From 3rd Reich Lugers by Still. 1941 (marked just 41) 42's were made in serial range 2500n - 6700r, so yours was made right in the first thousand of that batch, only 7000 were made. Army acceptance stamp should be E/655 Type 3 and Type 4 magazines were made in 1941. The type 4 was specifically made in 1941 and 42. They are period and in my estimation correct. Hopefuly a magazine expert can jump in and answer more definitively. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-28-2002, 06:34 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,924 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,518 Times in 2,087 Posts	The book just states type 2 with droop E/63, Stick E/63, E/83, large e/63 and E/655 issued with 1936, 37, 38, 39 and early 1940. Type 3 army is 122 code and E/37. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-29-2002, 01:37 PM	#11
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,924 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,518 Times in 2,087 Posts	P08's were issued through the war as primary combat weapons. (Third Reich Lugers and the new Luger book from the propaganda series shows them in use from the Eastern Front to the Western Front). I know that the P38 was officially made the primary weapon, but since so many Lugers were in use and made till 42/43 (with scattered ones made after that) that 100,000's were in use. I know that magazines were considered disposable, as I am guessing all guns were also. If you lost one in combat, you could get a new one issued in the US combat front. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-28-2002, 04:03 PM	#3
Don H. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque,NM. Posts: 96 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	Ed my Luger ser.# is 3279o. I have a type 4 mag with a black plastic bottom and is marked fxo and I also have a type 4 mag. with an aluminum bottom also fxo with a stick wing eagle 37 stamped on the bottom which is a replacement mag. I'm wondering if either one will work to complete my rig? Thanks Don

11-28-2002, 06:27 PM	#5
Don H. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque,NM. Posts: 96 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	Was there any type 3 or 4 replacement magazines made with a E/655 that you know of? If so do you think this might be a better magazine for my 41/42 Luger? Don

11-29-2002, 09:52 AM	#7
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Don, 41 Code 42 Lugers used several types of magazines. Pistols in the O-Block were issued with E/122 and E/37 (fxo), both with aluminum bottoms. Further, there are two types of aluminum bottom fxo type magazines. They differ in the arrangement of the "P08" stamp on the side near the spine. Some later O-Block Lugers had the type with the "8" on "P08" closest to the bottom (the other type would have the "P" closest to the bottom and were issued later in the 1941 production). As far as I am concerned, no information is available to me that indicates a black plastic bottom fxo type was issued with any 41 Code 42, O-Block Luger, or any 41 Code 42 for that matter. There are E/655 armorers aluminum bottom magazines around, without serial numbers, but the E/655 "magazine" stamp went out with the end of the first third of the 1940 Code 42 production. Hope this helps!! <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

11-29-2002, 11:06 AM	#8
Don H. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque,NM. Posts: 96 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	What I'm trying to do is add one magazine to my rig to complete it. The Mag. that is with the luger now is 122 on the spine with two SE37's on the spine, the bottom is marked 3279o+ indicating the secound mag. If during the war the first mag. was damaged of lost what do you think the armorer would of given the soldier as a replacement? On page 77 of Jan Stills book Third Reich Lugers it shows a 41/42 with the ser.# that is close to mine with a fxo type 4 mag.this is why I was thinking that maybe this type could of been a replacement for mine also but I'm not sure. I also have a type 4 mag. with fxo and P08 only stamped on the spine (no se37's). The P08 is stamped with the P closest to the bottom. Stamped on the bottom is a small SE37 towards the top. What Luger is this mag. a replacement for? Thanks for the help I'm a little stumped on this one. Don

11-29-2002, 12:10 PM	#9
Stu User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 452 Thanks: 4 Thanked 25 Times in 16 Posts	Were Lugers issued to front line combat troops in WWII or reserved for issue to other branches, (airforce, rear echelon personel, police etc) ? During war service would a mag be considered a consumable ? I'd have thought that if you wanted a replacement mag you'd get whatever happened to be lying around that worked. Are there any good books that cover this type of operational aspect of the war ?

11-29-2002, 01:23 PM	#10
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Again Don, Stu is correct, depending on the circumstances. In the field, I believe you would pick up what is available, matching or not, proper or not. Depending on when the magazine was lost, broken, etc. a plastic botton could be substituted, by an armorer. I think you have to come up with a scenario you are trying to achieve, then look for that magazine. Sounds to me that whatever you have, might be good enough!! <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />