Numrich Parts

Heydrich · 05-05-2003, 10:54 PM

Ordered some parts from Numrich, and I decided to take a look at one of their “replacement” wood bottomed magazine deals. I was pleasantly surprised. I’m going to ask one of my machinist friends to drill the magazine pin slot when he has some time, then I'll coat it with Tung Oil and install it in my spare mag:

The reason I had to order in the first place was because one of the grip screws on my DWM broke (90 year old metal, go fig), and I had to order a replacement. Numrich sent me two replacement screws, but the diameter is smaller than the original WW1 ones. They hold the grips on adequately though. I was wondering, does anyone have any of the larger diameter grip screws that they might be willing to sell? I’d like to have the larger diameter ones to hold the grips on more securely. I’m curious, are the smaller grip screws WW2 versions, and the larger ones for the WW1 models? Thanks for any help.

ViggoG · 05-06-2003, 12:42 AM

Curt,
I'm somewhat surprised to see that these Numrich Wood Bottom Magazines do not come up to the standards that there reputation deserves.
The grain is horizontal in the side view and to even appear close to proper the grain should run vertical along the longest dimension of the magazine.
Just looks strange to me because I'm used to seeing something that appears normal to the standard "Woodies".
Have you given this a thought? I'm not intending to belittle your selection, If its satisfactory to you its not my choice.
Drop me a line at

viggogdereng@juno.com

Edward Tinker · 05-06-2003, 01:23 AM

ViggoG is not telling all, and hopefully I will not embarrass him, but he has made some wood bottom magazines that are really outstanding, excellent grain, very pretty little puppies.

Luke · 05-06-2003, 07:35 AM

When I first got interested in Lugers I bought a couple of repro wood bottoms from CMR in England. I used these to replace the black plastic bottoms on Mec-Gar mags for my shooters.

Same grain problem. In fact they look exactly like those pictured above; possibly a common source both for CMR and Numrich.

Viggo -

Would love to see some pictures of yours.

Also, G.T. used to make outstanding wood bottoms, but I am not sure he is still doing this.

Luke

John Sabato · 05-06-2003, 08:05 AM

Luke, I am pleased to say that I am the owner of a Viggo G. Dereng magazine bottom installed by the master himself of one of my Dad's original but damaged WW2 magazine bodies...

If beauty in walnut is what you are looking for, Viggo can fill your needs. G.T. still has all the equipment, but I don't know if he is actively producing mag bottoms at the moment. I would recommend that you email him to find out if that is the route you wish to take...

We are indeed blessed to have both G.T. and ViggoG as members of this forum.

Lugerdoc · 05-06-2003, 09:04 AM

I believe that GT is quite busy just now trying to produce a perfect alum mag bottom. I do have most of his wood variations (standard unmarked, Navy concentric circle type, either marked "Cal.9m/m" etc) currently in stock. Tom H.

Frank · 05-06-2003, 09:38 AM

Hey Tom, you are right!! I have a bunch of GT's wood magazine bottoms installed by him in my magazine tubes. They are super quality and can be made to match most any wood grip coloration. I saw GT a few weeks ago and he still has some of his magazine bottoms stock.

Thor · 05-06-2003, 12:17 PM

GTs are the best mag bottoms, I have a couple of the aluminum ones too! But I think they were prototype runs. EXCELLENT!!!! Kind of reads like "The usual Suspects" Hugh Clark-grips & Baby Lugers, Jerry Burnery-Leather work, GT-Mag Bottoms and magazine repairs, Les Center-Superb custom cases, Tom Heller-parts! What a list of talents and resources we have! I LOVE IT!!!

Hugh · 05-06-2003, 03:01 PM

And to top the list: THOR'S REFINISHING! <img border="0" alt="[king]" title="" src="graemlins/r.gif" />

Jim Keenan · 05-06-2003, 03:16 PM

AFAIK, there is no difference in Luger grip screws from WW1 through WWII. The Numrich screws are too small and a rather poor reproduction.

Jim

ViggoG · 05-07-2003, 06:16 AM

Your Wish Is My Command,
Butt Pictures
NO NOT A MOON JOB, "Magazine Butts That Is" !! <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />

These Butts Are 100 Year Old American Mountain Walnut from an 1800's Bankers Desk that was damaged in a fire.

Now Every Body Sing To the tune of Miss America
There They Are, Ain't they Beautiful, There They Are, Pretty Butts"

#1, Lil Beauty

#2, My 1906 AE Grip /W Magazine Butt

#3, Another View

#4, And Another

#5, And All The Rest, in various stages of completion

Tth, Tth, Tth, Thats All Folks

NO, I'm Not Competing with "GT", If he cannot fill your needs, Then I'll see what I can do for you. (At the same price)

For now I have only the "Standard Butt Type Available", After I get a copy of Frank Rials "CD"
I'll be able to expand to other styles.
<img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" />
ViggoG

Luke · 05-07-2003, 06:33 AM

Beautiful work, Viggo . . . . and the grain is in the proper direction!

Luke

Edward Tinker · 05-07-2003, 11:23 AM

ViggoG, as I have said before, just beautiful!

..and I think I owe you a check for one of these?

Ed

Steve Richards · 05-11-2003, 07:56 PM

Viggo,

Are any of these for sale? If yes, how much and how does a person go about ordering some? I too have some MecGar magazines that would look better with wood bottoms.

STeve

G.T. · 05-11-2003, 11:27 PM

Hello to all! The mag. bottoms made by Viggo G look to be of outstanding quality! And, he was kind enough to consult me as to there manufacture and subsequent sale, which was a very gracious and frindly gesture.... I personally feel that if you purchase his, or my mag.bottoms, you are at the very least, getting the "as specified" part, correct in all dimensions... I have, at this point, elected to sell my product thru representitive sites, when available... this would be Thor, & Tom Heller. All my mag. bottom options, either custom or standard, can be accessed thru these two sources.... I feel very good about having them on my team.... (thanks to both of them!) Viggo, keep up the good work, I realize the sacrifice and effort it takes to make just one correct part... much less a run of them!
Thanks to all for the kind words and support! till...later...GT

ViggoG · 05-12-2003, 01:49 AM

GT,
Check your personal messages !
ViggoG

schwob · 05-14-2003, 08:32 PM

I have a couple of Vigs Luger wood bottom pieces. I've not seen G.Ts., but comparing Vigs to others on the market, there is no comparison. Vigs are top quality, top of the line, and I might add I'm very proud to own them. Thanks Vig, a great job, well done.....Bob

05-06-2003, 09:04 AM	#6
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	I believe that GT is quite busy just now trying to produce a perfect alum mag bottom. I do have most of his wood variations (standard unmarked, Navy concentric circle type, either marked "Cal.9m/m" etc) currently in stock. Tom H. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

05-06-2003, 12:17 PM	#8
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	GTs are the best mag bottoms, I have a couple of the aluminum ones too! But I think they were prototype runs. EXCELLENT!!!! Kind of reads like "The usual Suspects" Hugh Clark-grips & Baby Lugers, Jerry Burnery-Leather work, GT-Mag Bottoms and magazine repairs, Les Center-Superb custom cases, Tom Heller-parts! What a list of talents and resources we have! I LOVE IT!!! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

05-06-2003, 03:01 PM	#9
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	And to top the list: THOR'S REFINISHING! <img border="0" alt="[king]" title="" src="graemlins/r.gif" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

05-07-2003, 06:33 AM	#12
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Beautiful work, Viggo . . . . and the grain is in the proper direction! Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

05-07-2003, 11:23 AM	#13
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,927 Thanks: 2,026 Thanked 4,525 Times in 2,090 Posts	ViggoG, as I have said before, just beautiful! ..and I think I owe you a check for one of these? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-05-2003, 10:54 PM	#1
Heydrich Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 181 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Numrich Parts Ordered some parts from Numrich, and I decided to take a look at one of their “replacement” wood bottomed magazine deals. I was pleasantly surprised. I’m going to ask one of my machinist friends to drill the magazine pin slot when he has some time, then I'll coat it with Tung Oil and install it in my spare mag: The reason I had to order in the first place was because one of the grip screws on my DWM broke (90 year old metal, go fig), and I had to order a replacement. Numrich sent me two replacement screws, but the diameter is smaller than the original WW1 ones. They hold the grips on adequately though. I was wondering, does anyone have any of the larger diameter grip screws that they might be willing to sell? I’d like to have the larger diameter ones to hold the grips on more securely. I’m curious, are the smaller grip screws WW2 versions, and the larger ones for the WW1 models? Thanks for any help.

05-06-2003, 12:42 AM	#2
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Curt, I'm somewhat surprised to see that these Numrich Wood Bottom Magazines do not come up to the standards that there reputation deserves. The grain is horizontal in the side view and to even appear close to proper the grain should run vertical along the longest dimension of the magazine. Just looks strange to me because I'm used to seeing something that appears normal to the standard "Woodies". Have you given this a thought? I'm not intending to belittle your selection, If its satisfactory to you its not my choice. Drop me a line at viggogdereng@juno.com

05-06-2003, 01:23 AM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,927 Thanks: 2,026 Thanked 4,525 Times in 2,090 Posts	ViggoG is not telling all, and hopefully I will not embarrass him, but he has made some wood bottom magazines that are really outstanding, excellent grain, very pretty little puppies. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-06-2003, 07:35 AM	#4
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	When I first got interested in Lugers I bought a couple of repro wood bottoms from CMR in England. I used these to replace the black plastic bottoms on Mec-Gar mags for my shooters. Same grain problem. In fact they look exactly like those pictured above; possibly a common source both for CMR and Numrich. Viggo - Would love to see some pictures of yours. Also, G.T. used to make outstanding wood bottoms, but I am not sure he is still doing this. Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

05-06-2003, 08:05 AM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Luke, I am pleased to say that I am the owner of a Viggo G. Dereng magazine bottom installed by the master himself of one of my Dad's original but damaged WW2 magazine bodies... If beauty in walnut is what you are looking for, Viggo can fill your needs. G.T. still has all the equipment, but I don't know if he is actively producing mag bottoms at the moment. I would recommend that you email him to find out if that is the route you wish to take... We are indeed blessed to have both G.T. and ViggoG as members of this forum. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-06-2003, 09:38 AM	#7
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hey Tom, you are right!! I have a bunch of GT's wood magazine bottoms installed by him in my magazine tubes. They are super quality and can be made to match most any wood grip coloration. I saw GT a few weeks ago and he still has some of his magazine bottoms stock.

05-06-2003, 03:16 PM	#10
Jim Keenan User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 184 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	AFAIK, there is no difference in Luger grip screws from WW1 through WWII. The Numrich screws are too small and a rather poor reproduction. Jim

05-07-2003, 06:16 AM	#11
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Your Wish Is My Command, Butt Pictures NO NOT A MOON JOB, "Magazine Butts That Is" !! <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> These Butts Are 100 Year Old American Mountain Walnut from an 1800's Bankers Desk that was damaged in a fire. Now Every Body Sing To the tune of Miss America There They Are, Ain't they Beautiful, There They Are, Pretty Butts" #1, Lil Beauty #2, My 1906 AE Grip /W Magazine Butt #3, Another View #4, And Another #5, And All The Rest, in various stages of completion Tth, Tth, Tth, Thats All Folks NO, I'm Not Competing with "GT", If he cannot fill your needs, Then I'll see what I can do for you. (At the same price) For now I have only the "Standard Butt Type Available", After I get a copy of Frank Rials "CD" I'll be able to expand to other styles. <img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" /> ViggoG

05-11-2003, 07:56 PM	#14
Steve Richards User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Viggo, Are any of these for sale? If yes, how much and how does a person go about ordering some? I too have some MecGar magazines that would look better with wood bottoms. STeve

05-11-2003, 11:27 PM	#15
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,503 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,641 Times in 1,002 Posts	Hello to all! The mag. bottoms made by Viggo G look to be of outstanding quality! And, he was kind enough to consult me as to there manufacture and subsequent sale, which was a very gracious and frindly gesture.... I personally feel that if you purchase his, or my mag.bottoms, you are at the very least, getting the "as specified" part, correct in all dimensions... I have, at this point, elected to sell my product thru representitive sites, when available... this would be Thor, & Tom Heller. All my mag. bottom options, either custom or standard, can be accessed thru these two sources.... I feel very good about having them on my team.... (thanks to both of them!) Viggo, keep up the good work, I realize the sacrifice and effort it takes to make just one correct part... much less a run of them! Thanks to all for the kind words and support! till...later...GT

05-12-2003, 01:49 AM	#16
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	GT, Check your personal messages ! ViggoG

05-14-2003, 08:32 PM	#17
schwob RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Coast of Maine Posts: 273 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have a couple of Vigs Luger wood bottom pieces. I've not seen G.Ts., but comparing Vigs to others on the market, there is no comparison. Vigs are top quality, top of the line, and I might add I'm very proud to own them. Thanks Vig, a great job, well done.....Bob