Help Identifying a "Blank: Luger?

DutchLuger · 10-11-2024, 05:03 PM

I collect Dutch Lugers and recently picked one up that I thought was Dutch based on the presence of a brass side plate. On closer inspection, I see no "RUST" marked safety, no "GELADEN" on the extractor, no acceptance marks, not even a manufacturer's identification. The style of the brass plate, the lettering font, and the letters themselves also don't appear to reflect Dutch usage. The only markings are a serial no 5 that appears in quite a few places. Does anyone have any thoughts on what this pistol might be all about?

Mac Cat · 10-11-2024, 05:21 PM

Can we see the left side, too?
Sideplate and sear.
Are there any other numbered parts ? (inside ?)

Very curious P.08, I think, but I need to see more details.

aldo35 · 10-11-2024, 08:05 PM

Maybe a lunch box special

gunnertwo · 10-11-2024, 08:16 PM

The brass unit plate looks nothing like other examples I've observed. Pretty sure it's been renumbered. The "5" on the rear of the toggle and upper frame looks new.

G2

Mac Cat · 10-11-2024, 09:30 PM

Ghost gun - post WW-1 ??

DutchLuger · 10-11-2024, 09:58 PM

Thanks, gents. I know this thing looks pretty suss, but I wonder where one would find all these unnumbered parts, and how much effort someone would go to to make a fake Dutch(?) Luger? I hate to admit that I don't even know what a sear is, but I will take some more photos of the internals in a day or two. I do know that the grips (which are tight as can be) are stamped with the number 5 on the inside surface as well.

DutchLuger · 10-11-2024, 10:01 PM

There's a 5 on the underside of the barrel, but no other proof markings. No date on the frame.

DutchLuger · 10-11-2024, 10:02 PM

Here's the top of the barrel.

DutchLuger · 10-11-2024, 10:03 PM

Or maybe here. I'm pretty new to this.

wlyon · Yesterday, 12:19 AM

I agree with Gunnertwo. I have never seen a Dutch plate like that one. Way to big. Bill

DutchLuger · Yesterday, 08:47 PM

Let me start by saying thank you to those who took the time to take a look at the earlier posting. I am a first time user of this forum and was amazed to see that people were so willing to look at this random pistol and give me their thoughts. I very much appreciate it.

I have no idea if this will help, but I did some disassembly and photographed a few internal details. The frame has significant corrosion pitting and seems out of step with the near flawless finish of most of the remaining parts. I am just baffled that someone might go to the trouble of creating a low serial number knockoff without trying for a more high value version.

The only aberrant numbers I see are on the housing for the firing pin (maybe a 68?). There are some random letters low on the magazine housing portion of the frame, and some symbols on the underside of the frame near the barrel.

Thank you all again for your input.

DutchLuger · Yesterday, 08:50 PM

Add-On Photo Set 1

DutchLuger · Yesterday, 08:52 PM

Add-On Photo Set 2.

DutchLuger · Yesterday, 08:53 PM

And just a couple more.

Mac Cat · Today, 01:16 PM

Nice close-ups!
I'm impressed with how many of the parts are numbered.
Matching numbered grips !!! Wow, that is cool.

That detail tends to rule out a "ghost gun" or factory sneak.
But it's purpose is still unclear to me.

I don't think anyone was trying to fake a Dutch luger, either.

10-11-2024, 05:03 PM	#1
DutchLuger User Join Date: Oct 2024 Posts: 9 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Help Identifying a "Blank: Luger? I collect Dutch Lugers and recently picked one up that I thought was Dutch based on the presence of a brass side plate. On closer inspection, I see no "RUST" marked safety, no "GELADEN" on the extractor, no acceptance marks, not even a manufacturer's identification. The style of the brass plate, the lettering font, and the letters themselves also don't appear to reflect Dutch usage. The only markings are a serial no 5 that appears in quite a few places. Does anyone have any thoughts on what this pistol might be all about? Attached Thumbnails

10-11-2024, 10:03 PM	#9
DutchLuger User Join Date: Oct 2024 Posts: 9 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Or maybe here. I'm pretty new to this. Attached Thumbnails

Yesterday, 12:19 AM	#10
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,630 Thanks: 3,169 Thanked 2,552 Times in 952 Posts	I agree with Gunnertwo. I have never seen a Dutch plate like that one. Way to big. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

Yesterday, 08:47 PM	#11
DutchLuger User Join Date: Oct 2024 Posts: 9 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Additional Images Let me start by saying thank you to those who took the time to take a look at the earlier posting. I am a first time user of this forum and was amazed to see that people were so willing to look at this random pistol and give me their thoughts. I very much appreciate it. I have no idea if this will help, but I did some disassembly and photographed a few internal details. The frame has significant corrosion pitting and seems out of step with the near flawless finish of most of the remaining parts. I am just baffled that someone might go to the trouble of creating a low serial number knockoff without trying for a more high value version. The only aberrant numbers I see are on the housing for the firing pin (maybe a 68?). There are some random letters low on the magazine housing portion of the frame, and some symbols on the underside of the frame near the barrel. Thank you all again for your input. Attached Thumbnails

Yesterday, 08:50 PM	#12
DutchLuger User Join Date: Oct 2024 Posts: 9 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Add-On Photo Set 1 Attached Thumbnails

10-11-2024, 05:21 PM	#2
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 713 Thanks: 2,078 Thanked 592 Times in 318 Posts	Can we see the left side, too? Sideplate and sear. Are there any other numbered parts ? (inside ?) Very curious P.08, I think, but I need to see more details.

10-11-2024, 08:05 PM	#3
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 342 Thanks: 2,201 Thanked 145 Times in 76 Posts	Maybe a lunch box special

10-11-2024, 08:16 PM	#4
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 620 Thanks: 819 Thanked 928 Times in 363 Posts	The brass unit plate looks nothing like other examples I've observed. Pretty sure it's been renumbered. The "5" on the rear of the toggle and upper frame looks new. G2

10-11-2024, 09:30 PM	#5
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 713 Thanks: 2,078 Thanked 592 Times in 318 Posts	Ghost gun - post WW-1 ??

10-11-2024, 09:58 PM	#6
DutchLuger User Join Date: Oct 2024 Posts: 9 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks, gents. I know this thing looks pretty suss, but I wonder where one would find all these unnumbered parts, and how much effort someone would go to to make a fake Dutch(?) Luger? I hate to admit that I don't even know what a sear is, but I will take some more photos of the internals in a day or two. I do know that the grips (which are tight as can be) are stamped with the number 5 on the inside surface as well.

10-11-2024, 10:01 PM	#7
DutchLuger User Join Date: Oct 2024 Posts: 9 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	There's a 5 on the underside of the barrel, but no other proof markings. No date on the frame.

10-11-2024, 10:02 PM	#8
DutchLuger User Join Date: Oct 2024 Posts: 9 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Here's the top of the barrel.

Yesterday, 08:52 PM	#13
DutchLuger User Join Date: Oct 2024 Posts: 9 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Add-On Photo Set 2. Attached Thumbnails

Yesterday, 08:53 PM	#14
DutchLuger User Join Date: Oct 2024 Posts: 9 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	And just a couple more. Attached Thumbnails

Today, 01:16 PM	#15
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 713 Thanks: 2,078 Thanked 592 Times in 318 Posts	Nice close-ups! I'm impressed with how many of the parts are numbered. Matching numbered grips !!! Wow, that is cool. That detail tends to rule out a "ghost gun" or factory sneak. But it's purpose is still unclear to me. I don't think anyone was trying to fake a Dutch luger, either.