Portuguese Contract GNR

sdmark777 · 04-30-2018, 03:57 AM

I submit to you a pristine 1935/06 Mauser Banner GNR, .30 Luger, original finish, 98% Blue, 98+% Straw, perfect grips, perfect bore, all matching and correct un-numbered aluminum bottom magazine. The STORY:This GNR is 1 of the 564 made in 1935. These Mauser Banner Portuguese contracts were issued to the elite National Guard of Portugal. In the 1960's the Portuguese Government surplussed the GNR'S they had left and they were imported to the U.S. This was not one of those imported GNR'S. A U.S. citizen was sailing around the south pacific and acquired this GNR from a horse trader and brought it back to the States. This GNR had been preserved in a block of palm oil. Thanks for looking, enjoy!

sdmark777 · 04-30-2018, 03:59 AM

More pics. Total of 14

DavidJayUden · 04-30-2018, 08:28 AM

Were those issued with aluminum-bottom magazines?
It's an interesting variation. 1906 Model features on a Mauser Banner.
A very nice gun, by the way...
dju

g5m · 04-30-2018, 09:28 AM

Very nice!

sdmark777 · 04-30-2018, 04:45 PM

Thank you guys. Yes, GNR's were issued with aluminum bottom mags as that is what Mauser was producing in 1935 for their banner's, commercials, even though the GNR otherwise is a throwback to their previous 1906 design. Interestingly, I know some GNR's have been found with Portuguese M2 wood bottom, un-numbered, Portuguese proofed (triangle inside a circle) magazines. The GNR's look better with the wood bottom mags because they have the '06 style (see 2 added pics). I believe these earlier extra mags were issued out by the Portuguese Govt with their lugers or at least were mixed in by the time they were surplussed out.

kurusu · 04-30-2018, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sdmark777

Thank you guys. Yes, GNR's were issued with aluminum bottom mags as that is what Mauser was producing in 1935 for their banner's, commercials, even though the GNR otherwise is a throwback to their previous 1906 design. Interestingly, I know some GNR's have been found with Portuguese M2 wood bottom, un-numbered, Portuguese proofed (triangle inside a circle) magazines. The GNR's look better with the wood bottom mags because they have the '06 style (see 2 added pics). I believe these earlier extra mags were issued out by the Portuguese Govt with their lugers or at least were mixed in by the time they were surplussed out.

You may add to that. If you find a "GNR" with "matching" magazine. Someone overstreched it.

The 06 style grip safety was a specific request from the GNR. The Navy did the same thing when they wished to complement their inventories.

DonVoigt · 04-30-2018, 08:37 PM

I don't believe the circle triangle was a Portuguese proof, but a factory mark applied by DWM.
There is some discussion about this in threads on this board, and also marking info the the Goerz and Sturgess books.

sdmark777 · 04-30-2018, 08:45 PM

OK. It's been years since I researched this, but as I recall this might be noted in the World of Lugers Proof marks or maybe a different book. I will have to check on this when I get a chance, thanks. Of course my Luger books are no more current than the 1980's, and not everything is gospel in these books as we all know. I don't have the Goerz and Sturgess books. Thanks for the input. Mark

sdmark777 · 04-30-2018, 09:54 PM

Don, I found my World of Lugers Proof Marks book. You are correct the triangle in a circle proof is a 1900 to 1906 DWM proof for Portuguese Military/Commercial contracts. Costanzo writes that this proof is found on the left receiver, bottom barrel and above rear lanyard ring. Costanzo also notes this proof is found on the magazine bottom. See page # 156. I did not mean to state this was a Portuguese Govt. proof, poor wording on my part, just that it is a proper proof for Portuguese Lugers as explained above. Thanks for correcting my poor wording. Mark

sdmark777 · 04-30-2018, 09:55 PM

Don, if you can direct me to the thread you mentioned about the proof I would appreciate it. Thanks, Mark

DonVoigt · 04-30-2018, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sdmark777

Don, if you can direct me to the thread you mentioned about the proof I would appreciate it. Thanks, Mark

I would just do a forum search, maybe one of the guys more interested in Portuguese lugers will have it.
I just did and there are four pages of threads that come up with "circle triangle"; you might also try Portuguese marking or some such.

And it may have been on the "other" luger forum.

Lugerdoc · 05-01-2018, 12:05 PM

You are correct that the original mag for your GNR should have the nickeled tube with the an aluminum bottom, numbered to the pistol with the "flowing" large V suffix and no WaA. TH

sdmark777 · 05-01-2018, 12:32 PM

Doc, on GNR's the mag bottom is not numbered to the pistol.

Ron Wood · 05-01-2018, 03:53 PM

The magazine in Mark's (sdmark777) Luger is correct for a GNR...they are unmarked, no number or circle/triangle. Only the wood bottom M2 Portuguese magazines have the circle/triangle mark and they also are not numbered.
Ron

sdmark777 · 12-04-2023, 11:23 PM

As previously posted I have this very sweet GNR, which I have had for a very long time. I have finally put together a very nice set/rig for my GNR. Over the past couple of years I acquired an extra mag, cleaning rod and pin punch. This past weekend I went to the Crossroads / Small Arms Review Gunshow in Phoenix, Arizona. I found two GNR holsters that I liked. One was $390.00 with better condition over all and deeper/more readable stampings. The other was nice and better than a lot of the GNR holsters I have found over the years and priced at $200.00. So I got the $200.00 holster and a correct unmarked Mauser Loading Tool for $75.00. Just thought I would share. P.S. Got to meet up with G.T. at the show and talk as usual. Always good talking to G.T.

sdmark777 · 12-04-2023, 11:24 PM

more pics

Doubs · 12-05-2023, 01:59 AM

Here are the places you'll find the triangle/circle DWM inspection marks on the M1908 Portuguese Lugers; left receiver, under the barrel, back of the frame. left toggle grip and the mag base. Also, apparently some magazines were numbered while others were not as I have both unnumbered and numbered mags.

04-30-2018, 03:57 AM	#1
sdmark777 User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 288 Thanks: 695 Thanked 672 Times in 174 Posts	Portuguese Contract GNR I submit to you a pristine 1935/06 Mauser Banner GNR, .30 Luger, original finish, 98% Blue, 98+% Straw, perfect grips, perfect bore, all matching and correct un-numbered aluminum bottom magazine. The STORY:This GNR is 1 of the 564 made in 1935. These Mauser Banner Portuguese contracts were issued to the elite National Guard of Portugal. In the 1960's the Portuguese Government surplussed the GNR'S they had left and they were imported to the U.S. This was not one of those imported GNR'S. A U.S. citizen was sailing around the south pacific and acquired this GNR from a horse trader and brought it back to the States. This GNR had been preserved in a block of palm oil. Thanks for looking, enjoy! Attached Thumbnails

04-30-2018, 03:59 AM	#2
sdmark777 User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 288 Thanks: 695 Thanked 672 Times in 174 Posts	More pics. Total of 14 Attached Thumbnails

04-30-2018, 04:45 PM	#5
sdmark777 User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 288 Thanks: 695 Thanked 672 Times in 174 Posts	Thank you guys. Yes, GNR's were issued with aluminum bottom mags as that is what Mauser was producing in 1935 for their banner's, commercials, even though the GNR otherwise is a throwback to their previous 1906 design. Interestingly, I know some GNR's have been found with Portuguese M2 wood bottom, un-numbered, Portuguese proofed (triangle inside a circle) magazines. The GNR's look better with the wood bottom mags because they have the '06 style (see 2 added pics). I believe these earlier extra mags were issued out by the Portuguese Govt with their lugers or at least were mixed in by the time they were surplussed out. Attached Thumbnails

04-30-2018, 08:37 PM	#7
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	I don't believe the circle triangle was a Portuguese proof, but a factory mark applied by DWM. There is some discussion about this in threads on this board, and also marking info the the Goerz and Sturgess books. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

05-01-2018, 12:05 PM	#12
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	You are correct that the original mag for your GNR should have the nickeled tube with the an aluminum bottom, numbered to the pistol with the "flowing" large V suffix and no WaA. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

04-30-2018, 08:28 AM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Were those issued with aluminum-bottom magazines? It's an interesting variation. 1906 Model features on a Mauser Banner. A very nice gun, by the way... dju

04-30-2018, 09:28 AM	#4
g5m User Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: desert Posts: 36 Thanks: 23 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Very nice!

04-30-2018, 08:45 PM	#8
sdmark777 User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 288 Thanks: 695 Thanked 672 Times in 174 Posts	OK. It's been years since I researched this, but as I recall this might be noted in the World of Lugers Proof marks or maybe a different book. I will have to check on this when I get a chance, thanks. Of course my Luger books are no more current than the 1980's, and not everything is gospel in these books as we all know. I don't have the Goerz and Sturgess books. Thanks for the input. Mark

04-30-2018, 09:54 PM	#9
sdmark777 User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 288 Thanks: 695 Thanked 672 Times in 174 Posts	Don, I found my World of Lugers Proof Marks book. You are correct the triangle in a circle proof is a 1900 to 1906 DWM proof for Portuguese Military/Commercial contracts. Costanzo writes that this proof is found on the left receiver, bottom barrel and above rear lanyard ring. Costanzo also notes this proof is found on the magazine bottom. See page # 156. I did not mean to state this was a Portuguese Govt. proof, poor wording on my part, just that it is a proper proof for Portuguese Lugers as explained above. Thanks for correcting my poor wording. Mark

04-30-2018, 09:55 PM	#10
sdmark777 User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 288 Thanks: 695 Thanked 672 Times in 174 Posts	Don, if you can direct me to the thread you mentioned about the proof I would appreciate it. Thanks, Mark

05-01-2018, 12:32 PM	#13
sdmark777 User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 288 Thanks: 695 Thanked 672 Times in 174 Posts	Doc, on GNR's the mag bottom is not numbered to the pistol.

05-01-2018, 03:53 PM	#14
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	The magazine in Mark's (sdmark777) Luger is correct for a GNR...they are unmarked, no number or circle/triangle. Only the wood bottom M2 Portuguese magazines have the circle/triangle mark and they also are not numbered. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-04-2023, 11:23 PM	#15
sdmark777 User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 288 Thanks: 695 Thanked 672 Times in 174 Posts	Update on my gnr! As previously posted I have this very sweet GNR, which I have had for a very long time. I have finally put together a very nice set/rig for my GNR. Over the past couple of years I acquired an extra mag, cleaning rod and pin punch. This past weekend I went to the Crossroads / Small Arms Review Gunshow in Phoenix, Arizona. I found two GNR holsters that I liked. One was $390.00 with better condition over all and deeper/more readable stampings. The other was nice and better than a lot of the GNR holsters I have found over the years and priced at $200.00. So I got the $200.00 holster and a correct unmarked Mauser Loading Tool for $75.00. Just thought I would share. P.S. Got to meet up with G.T. at the show and talk as usual. Always good talking to G.T. Attached Thumbnails

12-04-2023, 11:24 PM	#16
sdmark777 User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 288 Thanks: 695 Thanked 672 Times in 174 Posts	more pics Attached Thumbnails

12-05-2023, 01:59 AM	#17
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,698 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,686 Times in 554 Posts	Here are the places you'll find the triangle/circle DWM inspection marks on the M1908 Portuguese Lugers; left receiver, under the barrel, back of the frame. left toggle grip and the mag base. Also, apparently some magazines were numbered while others were not as I have both unnumbered and numbered mags.