cartridge OK to use?

1776skulker · 02-25-2023, 01:18 PM

I have a match 1916 commercial 30 Luger. My neighbor just picked up two fifty-round boxes of reloads for me ($40) but there are two kinds there.

Over half are the usual copper fmj but there are some with lead projectiles. These are about two mm longer than the fmj rounds and I am wondering if they will work in my pistol.

They seem to fit OK in the magazine but they are primed and I am not thrilled about manually cycling some through the gun.

Nor do I have any idea how much powder is in the cartridge.

I don't have plans to shoot my pistol but I would like to know any thoughts folks might have. Thanks.

Mac Cat · 02-25-2023, 02:02 PM

I would be very wary of unknown ammo.
There is a lot of hand-loaded ammo going around, cheap, and it could be bad stuff.
Over loaded or underloaded are both problematic.
I also only shoot FMJ - no lead bullets.

You can hand cycle a few rounds to see how they feed, but my guess is that one on the right is not going to eject easily - the case looks all wrong.

Can we see the printing on the back of the case, too ?

I show the overall length 29.4 mm for my 9mm and 7.65mm.

jeb111 · 02-25-2023, 02:44 PM

Not worth chancing damage to you or your Luger. I wouldn't shoot reloads from an unknown source. I think you should pass.
Jim

wlyon · 02-25-2023, 04:48 PM

If they are cheap enough pull the bullets .
,dump the powder and save the brass. Do not shoot anyones handloads except your own. Bill

gunbugs · 02-25-2023, 04:58 PM

1. NEVER shoot someone else's reloads through your gun.
2. NEVER shoot your reloads through someone else's gun.

It doesn't matter if "he's been reloading for years".
I work on guns pretty regularly that are damaged from " My buddy gave me some of his reloads to shoot, and now my gun doesn't work".

You have NO IDEA how much of what kind of powder is in those cartridges, unless you loaded them yourself.
Unknown handloads are a recipe for disaster.

The only safe road for that ammo is to pull it down and start over. If you have the time and want to make the effort.

https://forum.lugerforum.com/attachm...1&d=1677358609

1776skulker · 02-25-2023, 06:03 PM

Thanks for the replies--they echo my own thoughts. I appreciate the concern.

The brass with the lead in 'em are Western Cartridge Co. 71s. The others are Peters 30 Luger.

A friend of my neighbor did the reloads so it wouldn't be a problem to find what charges he put in there. I wanted to find an answer to the length situation first. But, even if OK, I have no plans to fire this pistol.

gunbugs · 02-25-2023, 10:35 PM

Pull them apart or throw them away. A disaster waiting to happen.
Unless you loaded them yourself, they are suspect, and not worth risking.
It does not matter if your neighbors friend can tell you "what load he used".
Unless you watched him load them, you will never know for sure.
DO NOT shoot other people's reloads. It is not worth it.

Kiwi · 02-26-2023, 01:12 PM

Agree with "do not use" but out of curiosity would weigh the projectiles to see the variance between the lead and Jacketed, and the powder charge for each.

The powder can be used as plant fertilizer.
The primed case and projectile can be reused when you have a powder and load formula.

Edward Tinker · 02-26-2023, 02:19 PM

I didn't see anyone say anything, but the cannualre (bottom part) and where the shape of the cartridges is different.

rhuff · 02-26-2023, 03:54 PM

I agree with the info above......I only shoot my reloads in my guns. If you are a reloader, you can salvage the brass and projectiles(if they measure out to be correct). Dump the powder and start over.

I have loaded many Ks of 30 Luger brass, and it can be tricky at times, and neck tension is paramount!!

Mac Cat · 02-26-2023, 04:34 PM

Ed said:

Quote:

. . . the cannualre (bottom part) and where the shape of the cartridges is different.

I agree - the one on right doesn't look like a 7.65 luger at all.

1776skuler said:

Quote:

The brass with the lead in 'em are Western Cartridge Co. 71s. The others are Peters 30 Luger.

I haven't heard of that one, but it's good know.

ithacaartist · 02-27-2023, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

I didn't see anyone say anything, but the cannualre (bottom part) and where the shape of the cartridges is different.

Yes, the round on the right is rimmed. The shoulder is different shape, and the OAL is just nuts. I, too, don't think it's a 7.65 Parabellum.

DonVoigt · 02-28-2023, 10:50 AM

The bottom groove is not a "cannalure", it is simply the extractor cut or rim "rebate".
A cannelure is on the projectile and is where the case neck crimps into the bullet.

I agree though, toss the ammo, it is not worth the risk! In fact it would have negative value to me.
If you can figure out what the semi-rimmed lead rounds are, they may be "collectible" to someone- but not for shooting.

JMHO.

02-25-2023, 01:18 PM	#1
1776skulker New User Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	cartridge OK to use? I have a match 1916 commercial 30 Luger. My neighbor just picked up two fifty-round boxes of reloads for me ($40) but there are two kinds there. Over half are the usual copper fmj but there are some with lead projectiles. These are about two mm longer than the fmj rounds and I am wondering if they will work in my pistol. They seem to fit OK in the magazine but they are primed and I am not thrilled about manually cycling some through the gun. Nor do I have any idea how much powder is in the cartridge. I don't have plans to shoot my pistol but I would like to know any thoughts folks might have. Thanks. Attached Thumbnails

02-25-2023, 02:02 PM	#2
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 727 Thanks: 2,091 Thanked 606 Times in 327 Posts	I would be very wary of unknown ammo. There is a lot of hand-loaded ammo going around, cheap, and it could be bad stuff. Over loaded or underloaded are both problematic. I also only shoot FMJ - no lead bullets. You can hand cycle a few rounds to see how they feed, but my guess is that one on the right is not going to eject easily - the case looks all wrong. Can we see the printing on the back of the case, too ? I show the overall length 29.4 mm for my 9mm and 7.65mm. Attached Thumbnails

02-25-2023, 04:48 PM	#4
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,635 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,556 Times in 954 Posts	If they are cheap enough pull the bullets . ,dump the powder and save the brass. Do not shoot anyones handloads except your own. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

02-25-2023, 04:58 PM	#5
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 658 Thanks: 365 Thanked 1,176 Times in 393 Posts	1. NEVER shoot someone else's reloads through your gun. 2. NEVER shoot your reloads through someone else's gun. It doesn't matter if "he's been reloading for years". I work on guns pretty regularly that are damaged from " My buddy gave me some of his reloads to shoot, and now my gun doesn't work". You have NO IDEA how much of what kind of powder is in those cartridges, unless you loaded them yourself. Unknown handloads are a recipe for disaster. The only safe road for that ammo is to pull it down and start over. If you have the time and want to make the effort. https://forum.lugerforum.com/attachm...1&d=1677358609 Attached Thumbnails

02-26-2023, 02:19 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	I didn't see anyone say anything, but the cannualre (bottom part) and where the shape of the cartridges is different. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-25-2023, 02:44 PM	#3
jeb111 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2018 Location: wyoming Posts: 277 Thanks: 712 Thanked 331 Times in 133 Posts	Not worth chancing damage to you or your Luger. I wouldn't shoot reloads from an unknown source. I think you should pass. Jim

02-25-2023, 06:03 PM	#6
1776skulker New User Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the replies--they echo my own thoughts. I appreciate the concern. The brass with the lead in 'em are Western Cartridge Co. 71s. The others are Peters 30 Luger. A friend of my neighbor did the reloads so it wouldn't be a problem to find what charges he put in there. I wanted to find an answer to the length situation first. But, even if OK, I have no plans to fire this pistol.

02-25-2023, 10:35 PM	#7
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 658 Thanks: 365 Thanked 1,176 Times in 393 Posts	Pull them apart or throw them away. A disaster waiting to happen. Unless you loaded them yourself, they are suspect, and not worth risking. It does not matter if your neighbors friend can tell you "what load he used". Unless you watched him load them, you will never know for sure. DO NOT shoot other people's reloads. It is not worth it.

02-26-2023, 01:12 PM	#8
Kiwi User Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Wrong side of the Delaware river Posts: 307 Thanks: 215 Thanked 435 Times in 172 Posts	Agree with "do not use" but out of curiosity would weigh the projectiles to see the variance between the lead and Jacketed, and the powder charge for each. The powder can be used as plant fertilizer. The primed case and projectile can be reused when you have a powder and load formula.

02-26-2023, 03:54 PM	#10
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	I agree with the info above......I only shoot my reloads in my guns. If you are a reloader, you can salvage the brass and projectiles(if they measure out to be correct). Dump the powder and start over. I have loaded many Ks of 30 Luger brass, and it can be tricky at times, and neck tension is paramount!! __________________ Need DWM breechblock #21

02-28-2023, 10:50 AM	#13
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	The bottom groove is not a "cannalure", it is simply the extractor cut or rim "rebate". A cannelure is on the projectile and is where the case neck crimps into the bullet. I agree though, toss the ammo, it is not worth the risk! In fact it would have negative value to me. If you can figure out what the semi-rimmed lead rounds are, they may be "collectible" to someone- but not for shooting. JMHO. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie