Need an advice to this "Marine 04"

Kiel-78 · 12-21-2022, 06:46 AM

Hello Forum

As I wrote in my first post, I am interested in buying a Luger. Some years ago I met a guy who said that he has one and he may be willing to sell it. So I called him three days ago an we will meet between christmas and new years eve. He sent me the attached pictures.

I have no additional information right now.

So, my question:

What is your suggestion for a reasonable price? (Yes, I know... There is difference between the markets of the US and Germany )

Norme · 12-21-2022, 08:07 AM

Hi Kiel-78,
Those are dreadful photos! With that disclaimer my guess is that it's a 1906 Navy in original, unrefinished, condition. Assuming that it has all matching number parts, not including the magazines, it would be worth $3,000.00 to $5,000.00 here in the US. If it has a single non-matching part, considerably less.
Norm

Mac Cat · 12-21-2022, 01:33 PM

I agree, it's very hard to tell much from the photos.
But, it does look like it's worth checking out.

What is the serial number ?

Get some photos in outdoors with indirect sunlight.

Ron Wood · 12-21-2022, 02:50 PM

The frame ear at the thumb safety has been altered/routed. Don't know if it is now "up" safe or "down" safe.

LU1900 · 12-22-2022, 08:38 PM

Down : safe , I think , 1906 first issue altered

LU1900 · 12-22-2022, 08:39 PM

In France , a nice navy is about 6K€

Kiel-78 · 12-27-2022, 04:38 PM

Today I went to the seller and we had a very good conversation. He told me that he had the idea to sell the gun for 1200€, because that the price he paid 30 years ago in Deutsche Mark (we changed from Deutsche Mark to Euro in 2002, the ratio was 1,96DM = 1 EURO)

BUT one of his hunting collegues told him that these guns may be worth a lot more... So we had to discuss a little bit. ;-)
We came over that I will check the market, get as much information as possible and then we will have a fair deal.

Today I just made pictures. Please enjoy some them and tell me what you think.

For the first 20 readers all pictures are for seven days HERE to download. Feel free to repost them if you have a comment on it.

(I just realised that I did't take a picture of the complete gun

)

Yakman · 12-27-2022, 05:09 PM

This pistol is in rough condition to say the least. The imperfections have been covered over in some sort of bluing. I'd say do yourself a favor and pass on it at any price.

You need to look at some Lugers and come up with a standard for what you think a presentable piece looks like before you start spending money. Do not depend on the judgement of others.

I mean this constructively and I hope you take it that way.

Jack

Norme · 12-27-2022, 07:10 PM

Hi Kiel-78,
We really need better photos, and more of them, to make a determination. The front half of the pistol looks fine, the rear half looks poor.
Regards, Norm

Kiel-78 · 12-27-2022, 08:58 PM

@Yakman

Yes, definitely. It is a very good advise.

A little bit like asking your friends what to do for a perfect date. A lot people can tell what THEY think s perfect. But at least you have to make your own experience and find out what's the best to do

@Norme

I added 76 pics under the link... I thought that may be ok. The next time, in January, I will take my camera with me. Today I had only my smartphone. The pictures looked quite good on the small screen

12-21-2022, 06:46 AM	#1
Kiel-78 User Join Date: Dec 2022 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 3 Posts	Need an advice to this "Marine 04" Hello Forum As I wrote in my first post, I am interested in buying a Luger. Some years ago I met a guy who said that he has one and he may be willing to sell it. So I called him three days ago an we will meet between christmas and new years eve. He sent me the attached pictures. I have no additional information right now. So, my question: What is your suggestion for a reasonable price? (Yes, I know... There is difference between the markets of the US and Germany ) Attached Thumbnails

12-21-2022, 02:50 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	The frame ear at the thumb safety has been altered/routed. Don't know if it is now "up" safe or "down" safe. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-22-2022, 08:38 PM	#5
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 908 Thanks: 41 Thanked 469 Times in 197 Posts	Down : safe , I think , 1906 first issue altered __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

12-22-2022, 08:39 PM	#6
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 908 Thanks: 41 Thanked 469 Times in 197 Posts	In France , a nice navy is about 6K€ __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

12-27-2022, 04:38 PM	#7
Kiel-78 User Join Date: Dec 2022 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 3 Posts	Today I went to the seller and we had a very good conversation. He told me that he had the idea to sell the gun for 1200€, because that the price he paid 30 years ago in Deutsche Mark (we changed from Deutsche Mark to Euro in 2002, the ratio was 1,96DM = 1 EURO) BUT one of his hunting collegues told him that these guns may be worth a lot more... So we had to discuss a little bit. ;-) We came over that I will check the market, get as much information as possible and then we will have a fair deal. Today I just made pictures. Please enjoy some them and tell me what you think. For the first 20 readers all pictures are for seven days HERE to download. Feel free to repost them if you have a comment on it. (I just realised that I did't take a picture of the complete gun) Attached Thumbnails

12-21-2022, 08:07 AM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Kiel-78, Those are dreadful photos! With that disclaimer my guess is that it's a 1906 Navy in original, unrefinished, condition. Assuming that it has all matching number parts, not including the magazines, it would be worth $3,000.00 to $5,000.00 here in the US. If it has a single non-matching part, considerably less. Norm

12-21-2022, 01:33 PM	#3
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 724 Thanks: 2,086 Thanked 604 Times in 326 Posts	I agree, it's very hard to tell much from the photos. But, it does look like it's worth checking out. What is the serial number ? Get some photos in outdoors with indirect sunlight.

12-27-2022, 05:09 PM	#8
Yakman User Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Indiana Posts: 119 Thanks: 881 Thanked 81 Times in 40 Posts	This pistol is in rough condition to say the least. The imperfections have been covered over in some sort of bluing. I'd say do yourself a favor and pass on it at any price. You need to look at some Lugers and come up with a standard for what you think a presentable piece looks like before you start spending money. Do not depend on the judgement of others. I mean this constructively and I hope you take it that way. Jack

12-27-2022, 07:10 PM	#9
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Kiel-78, We really need better photos, and more of them, to make a determination. The front half of the pistol looks fine, the rear half looks poor. Regards, Norm

12-27-2022, 08:58 PM	#10
Kiel-78 User Join Date: Dec 2022 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 3 Posts	@Yakman Yes, definitely. It is a very good advise. A little bit like asking your friends what to do for a perfect date. A lot people can tell what THEY think s perfect. But at least you have to make your own experience and find out what's the best to do @Norme I added 76 pics under the link... I thought that may be ok. The next time, in January, I will take my camera with me. Today I had only my smartphone. The pictures looked quite good on the small screen