P.08 #98 - Page 2

JTD · 04-14-2022, 10:24 PM

Super pistol, I would be proud to have it in my collection! thanks for the photo shoot. John

minigun · 04-15-2022, 09:44 PM

I agree that the super low serial number enhances the price. That, and the condition is also a major factor. This has both. Really nice pistol.

sheepherder · 04-16-2022, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MFC

The German Army purchased over 1.5 million Lugers from 1909 to 1942. To be in the first 100, IS the reason I bought it.

By that math, there were thirty-three # 98 Lugers (without suffix) made. How is that anything really rare???

I'm not disparaging your purchase; it seems very well preserved. I just can't see it being worth more than a comparable condition three or four digit number.

There's going to be a no-suffix # 98 every year they were made.

JTD · 04-16-2022, 10:03 AM

Not first issues.

jeb111 · 04-16-2022, 10:10 AM

I agree while not “really rare” it won’t be common and for me while very low serial numbers could be interesting depending on the model I wouldn’t pay a premium for a Luger marked as such for that reason alone. The OP’s Luger has a lot going for it and the low number is a nice little extra something! I’m sure there are collectors out there that hunt for low serial numbers but I’m not one of them.
Jim

sheepherder · 04-16-2022, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jeb111

I agree while not “really rare” it won’t be common and for me while very low serial numbers could be interesting depending on the model I wouldn’t pay a premium for a Luger marked as such for that reason alone. The OP’s Luger has a lot going for it and the low number is a nice little extra something! I’m sure there are collectors out there that hunt for low serial numbers but I’m not one of them.
Jim

If a Luger P08 could be positively identified as the first ever year-1908 issue # 98 then I could see a collector with hundreds of Lugers (and there are several on this forum) paying more for a 'first hundred'. There was a guy here years ago collecting the same serial number across different years, for some reason.

But just because it is in the first hundred of a particular year (other than the year the Luger was first adopted by the army), I just can't see paying anything more...

But I'm sure there are gun-show hucksters asking more and convincing new Luger buyers that a low number is a rarity and you should buy it now...

sheepherder · 04-16-2022, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeb111

I agree while not “really rare” it won’t be common and for me while very low serial numbers could be interesting depending on the model I wouldn’t pay a premium for a Luger marked as such for that reason alone. The OP’s Luger has a lot going for it and the low number is a nice little extra something! I’m sure there are collectors out there that hunt for low serial numbers but I’m not one of them.
Jim

If a Luger P08 could be positively identified as the first ever year-1908 issue # 98 then I could see a collector with hundreds of Lugers (and there are several on this forum) paying more for a 'first hundred'. There was a guy here years ago collecting the same serial number across different years, for some reason.

But just because it is in the first hundred of a particular year (other than the year the Luger was first adopted by the army), I just can't see paying anything more...

But I'm sure there are gun-show hucksters asking more and convincing new Luger buyers that a low number is a rarity and you should buy it now...

I do happen to like this Luger but because it has a nice clean bore, unlike the sewer pipes I usually buy...

Neil Young · 04-16-2022, 12:16 PM

I agree with JTD. The 1st Issue Number 98 ns is one of the first 100 Lugers adopted by the German Army. The rest of those "thirty-three" Number 98 ns Lugers has a specific year chamber stamp. That sounds pretty "positively identified" to me.

G.T. · 04-16-2022, 12:26 PM

Hi to all! It's all a matter of perception, or lack of it? Most Lugers, regardless of, "born on date" look the same. Most couldn't tell you who made it much less when it was made, or in what order? We know, so it is obvious to us it is rare and unusual, but again, not to all, or even most as it plays out. P.38's don't have that problem, the first ones were Walther zero series and are distinctly different from the rest of production! PP's and PPK's and we are right back to just numbers being different, and again, most don't know or care until they are enlightened right after an impulse sale at a gun show.

I really like early guns, so I'm a little subjective when it comes to numbers. Again, super nice unit, a collection unto itself! Best to all, til....lat'r....GT.....

sheepherder · 04-16-2022, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil Young

The rest of those "thirty-three" Number 98 ns Lugers has a specific year chamber stamp.

Do they??? Maybe they did originally, but over the years they could have received replacement parts; new barrel, different barrel extension, etc.

I like lively discussions. I'm always happy to play devil's advocate.

Neil Young · 04-16-2022, 04:25 PM

Whatever...............................

minigun · 04-16-2022, 04:40 PM

It’s condition AND one of the first 100 that made this one worth more. In my opinion.

MFC · 04-18-2022, 11:51 PM

If it were a 1910 #98, 1911 #98 etc., I might admire it, but I wouldn't have bought and paid the same premium for it. IMO it's not in the same ballpark.

Have you seen the HUGE premiums Colt collectors pay for an early revolver with a 2 or 3 digit S#?

To each his own I guess.

ithacaartist · 04-19-2022, 03:52 AM

I wonder if the same controversies about numbers would also rage if we counted in base 13. Seriously, our species is generally innumerate. Society seems unable to handle numerical perspectives on not much more than an emotional basis. We have immense trouble relating to immense numbers, distances, and time frames. We think things are less likely/coincidental than they actually are.

Oh. There's a good book about it. https://www.amazon.com/Innumeracy-Ma...s%2C208&sr=8-1

04-16-2022, 12:16 PM	#28
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 546 Thanks: 559 Thanked 442 Times in 168 Posts	I agree with JTD. The 1st Issue Number 98 ns is one of the first 100 Lugers adopted by the German Army. The rest of those "thirty-three" Number 98 ns Lugers has a specific year chamber stamp. That sounds pretty "positively identified" to me. __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

04-16-2022, 12:26 PM	#29
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,507 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,653 Times in 1,004 Posts	It's all about perception! Hi to all! It's all a matter of perception, or lack of it? Most Lugers, regardless of, "born on date" look the same. Most couldn't tell you who made it much less when it was made, or in what order? We know, so it is obvious to us it is rare and unusual, but again, not to all, or even most as it plays out. P.38's don't have that problem, the first ones were Walther zero series and are distinctly different from the rest of production! PP's and PPK's and we are right back to just numbers being different, and again, most don't know or care until they are enlightened right after an impulse sale at a gun show. I really like early guns, so I'm a little subjective when it comes to numbers. Again, super nice unit, a collection unto itself! Best to all, til....lat'r....GT.....

04-16-2022, 04:25 PM	#31
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 546 Thanks: 559 Thanked 442 Times in 168 Posts	Whatever............................... __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

04-18-2022, 11:51 PM	#33
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	If it were a 1910 #98, 1911 #98 etc., I might admire it, but I wouldn't have bought and paid the same premium for it. IMO it's not in the same ballpark. Have you seen the HUGE premiums Colt collectors pay for an early revolver with a 2 or 3 digit S#? To each his own I guess. __________________ Mike C.

04-19-2022, 03:52 AM	#34
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,346 Thanks: 7,277 Thanked 2,578 Times in 1,365 Posts	I wonder if the same controversies about numbers would also rage if we counted in base 13. Seriously, our species is generally innumerate. Society seems unable to handle numerical perspectives on not much more than an emotional basis. We have immense trouble relating to immense numbers, distances, and time frames. We think things are less likely/coincidental than they actually are. Oh. There's a good book about it. https://www.amazon.com/Innumeracy-Ma...s%2C208&sr=8-1 __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

04-14-2022, 10:24 PM	#21
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	Super pistol, I would be proud to have it in my collection! thanks for the photo shoot. John

04-15-2022, 09:44 PM	#22
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 15 Thanked 19 Times in 14 Posts	I agree that the super low serial number enhances the price. That, and the condition is also a major factor. This has both. Really nice pistol.

04-16-2022, 10:03 AM	#24
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	Not first issues.

04-16-2022, 10:10 AM	#25
jeb111 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2018 Location: wyoming Posts: 277 Thanks: 712 Thanked 331 Times in 133 Posts	I agree while not “really rare” it won’t be common and for me while very low serial numbers could be interesting depending on the model I wouldn’t pay a premium for a Luger marked as such for that reason alone. The OP’s Luger has a lot going for it and the low number is a nice little extra something! I’m sure there are collectors out there that hunt for low serial numbers but I’m not one of them. Jim

04-16-2022, 04:40 PM	#32
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 15 Thanked 19 Times in 14 Posts	It’s condition AND one of the first 100 that made this one worth more. In my opinion.