Simson 'S' Code, $9,000

Edward Tinker · 01-14-2022, 03:21 PM

Lookie here

https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/...LOT511517.aspx

I was shocked, but pleased to see that this Simson sold for 9K - that is one of the higher amounts I've seen.

The average Simson (decent bluing, no unit marking, not an S, not a dated), they seem to sell for around $2k - to $4K

Plus for this is the S 'code' (they made Simson & Co toggles at the same time as S) - so I am not sure still if the S was for police? However, of the 105 marked S on the toggle, my 755 records have 105 S code.

Yet only 23 with known sear or sear and mag safety?

The numbers tell me that the vast majority went into service unmarked, perhaps unit buys?

Ed

Lyn Islaub · 01-14-2022, 05:47 PM

Still, $9K is Krieghoff territory and maybe more. Surprised to see a Simson at that price range. Guess I'm glad to see the values climbing, as I'm about ready to list my unit marked Simson for sale.
Lyn

Edward Tinker · 01-14-2022, 06:22 PM

yes, I agree Lyn. I do think most Simson go for less than that, but I am okay if they start rising in value

gunbugs · 01-15-2022, 02:02 AM

To me it seems odd that Krieghoffs go for more money than a Simson, as the Simson's are significantly scarcer by production numbers, unless I am misinformed.

Edward Tinker · 01-15-2022, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunbugs

To me it seems odd that Krieghoffs go for more money than a Simson, as the Simson's are significantly scarcer by production numbers, unless I am misinformed.

No, you are correct - about a 1,000 less

However;

a. DWM purchased HK's go for a pretty penny
b. Simson's while actually a small contract the 'newest' ones were built several years before HK production and some 10 yrs earlier, thus more chance of being 'worn looking'
c. Simson did a lot of refurbishing, such as the 4,000+ serial number luger sold recently on Morphys, so it tricks folks into thinking there were more manufactured simson then really were.
d. Marketing by dealers, early dealers pushed how rare they were (and they did simson also) and this helped

gunnertwo · 01-15-2022, 04:26 PM

I'll add my comment to Ed's, Krieghoff's also have the association with Goering and the Luftwaffe. There are other low production P.08's that don't reach the level of Krieghoff's (and should), namely Vickers and Simson. Although I'm OK for lower pricing as I'm still hunting a Vickers.

G2

01-14-2022, 03:21 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Simson 'S' Code, $9,000 Lookie here https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/...LOT511517.aspx I was shocked, but pleased to see that this Simson sold for 9K - that is one of the higher amounts I've seen. The average Simson (decent bluing, no unit marking, not an S, not a dated), they seem to sell for around $2k - to $4K Plus for this is the S 'code' (they made Simson & Co toggles at the same time as S) - so I am not sure still if the S was for police? However, of the 105 marked S on the toggle, my 755 records have 105 S code. Yet only 23 with known sear or sear and mag safety? The numbers tell me that the vast majority went into service unmarked, perhaps unit buys? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-14-2022, 05:47 PM	#2
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	Still, $9K is Krieghoff territory and maybe more. Surprised to see a Simson at that price range. Guess I'm glad to see the values climbing, as I'm about ready to list my unit marked Simson for sale. Lyn

01-14-2022, 06:22 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	yes, I agree Lyn. I do think most Simson go for less than that, but I am okay if they start rising in value

01-15-2022, 02:02 AM	#4
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 659 Thanks: 365 Thanked 1,178 Times in 394 Posts	To me it seems odd that Krieghoffs go for more money than a Simson, as the Simson's are significantly scarcer by production numbers, unless I am misinformed.

01-15-2022, 04:26 PM	#6
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 623 Thanks: 826 Thanked 930 Times in 363 Posts	I'll add my comment to Ed's, Krieghoff's also have the association with Goering and the Luftwaffe. There are other low production P.08's that don't reach the level of Krieghoff's (and should), namely Vickers and Simson. Although I'm OK for lower pricing as I'm still hunting a Vickers. G2