Just when you thought it was safe...

Norme · 12-13-2021, 12:09 PM

... to go back in the water, two more fake Navy mags show up.
Norm
https://www.ebay.com/itm/144328931665

Norme · 12-13-2021, 12:13 PM

and...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/144328943508

George Anderson · 12-13-2021, 01:03 PM

Given the seller, I'm not surprised.

wlyon · 12-13-2021, 01:26 PM

Coming from him I would be more surprised if they were real. Bill

G.T. · 12-13-2021, 02:07 PM

I can see the one mag is crudely stamped, but, the mag number 83 seems to be real to me? What am I missing?... best, GT

Edward Tinker · 12-13-2021, 02:38 PM

Revshop has two simson mags bottoms - I think they are real, but not sure, they look pretty good for me, although the eagles I haven't looked at closely

Norme · 12-13-2021, 03:24 PM

Hi G.T.,
Both of the mags shown have inverted C/M marks, clearly visible despite this seller's typically blurry photos. They should look like the one shown below.
Norm

Roadster 02 · 12-13-2021, 04:01 PM

I'm safe from that seller. I pissed him off on a sale couple of years ago and he banned me from bidding on his items.

gunnertwo · 12-13-2021, 04:22 PM

He needs a lump of coal in his stocking.

G2

ithacaartist · 12-14-2021, 01:39 AM

I asked him about some grips that had obviously been re-checkered--even varnished, IIRC. Wondered if he'd not mixed up pics for some other lot... His listing's pics were the evidence, yet he doubled down on originality, seemed defensive and cranky that I'd asked. Some here may have dealt with him successfully, but overall, his stuff seems "ambitiously priced," to say the least. I don't doubt that plenty of his offerings are fine, but a pattern of listing bogus stuff is demonstrable. Whether established by ignorance or design, his reputation suffers among even the minimally knowledgeable.

sheepherder · 12-14-2021, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Whether established by ignorance or design, his reputation suffers among even the minimally knowledgeable.

Being a well known friend of Ralph Shattuck does what to his reputation?

I have been impressed by several of his fantasy recreations/interpretations. Not all, and he is getting up in his 70's which probably accounts for the poor quality of many of his later offerings (you just can't find good help anymore) but some of his earlier work has been good enough to fool some of 'the experts'. There was one example I was ready to buy even knowing it was 'bad' but Ken never responded to my emails/PMs.

lugerholsterrepair · 12-14-2021, 10:40 PM

A junkyard dog salivating at fixing his teeth into your jingle bells if you are nuts enough to climb over his fence.

m1903a3 · 12-15-2021, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

... to go back in the water, two more fake Navy mags show up.
Norm
https://www.ebay.com/itm/144328931665

It's never safe to swim in that pestilent pool.

12-13-2021, 12:09 PM	#1
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Just when you thought it was safe... ... to go back in the water, two more fake Navy mags show up. Norm https://www.ebay.com/itm/144328931665

12-13-2021, 01:26 PM	#4
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,635 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,556 Times in 954 Posts	Coming from him I would be more surprised if they were real. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

12-13-2021, 02:07 PM	#5
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,507 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,653 Times in 1,004 Posts	what are the tells? I can see the one mag is crudely stamped, but, the mag number 83 seems to be real to me? What am I missing?... best, GT

12-13-2021, 03:24 PM	#7
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi G.T., Both of the mags shown have inverted C/M marks, clearly visible despite this seller's typically blurry photos. They should look like the one shown below. Norm Attached Thumbnails

12-14-2021, 01:39 AM	#10
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,346 Thanks: 7,271 Thanked 2,578 Times in 1,365 Posts	I asked him about some grips that had obviously been re-checkered--even varnished, IIRC. Wondered if he'd not mixed up pics for some other lot... His listing's pics were the evidence, yet he doubled down on originality, seemed defensive and cranky that I'd asked. Some here may have dealt with him successfully, but overall, his stuff seems "ambitiously priced," to say the least. I don't doubt that plenty of his offerings are fine, but a pattern of listing bogus stuff is demonstrable. Whether established by ignorance or design, his reputation suffers among even the minimally knowledgeable. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

12-13-2021, 12:13 PM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	and... https://www.ebay.com/itm/144328943508

12-13-2021, 01:03 PM	#3
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Given the seller, I'm not surprised.

12-13-2021, 02:38 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,528 Times in 2,091 Posts	Revshop has two simson mags bottoms - I think they are real, but not sure, they look pretty good for me, although the eagles I haven't looked at closely

12-13-2021, 04:01 PM	#8
Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 312 Thanks: 173 Thanked 248 Times in 86 Posts	I'm safe from that seller. I pissed him off on a sale couple of years ago and he banned me from bidding on his items.

12-13-2021, 04:22 PM	#9
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 623 Thanks: 825 Thanked 930 Times in 363 Posts	He needs a lump of coal in his stocking. G2

12-14-2021, 10:40 PM	#12
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,931 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	A junkyard dog salivating at fixing his teeth into your jingle bells if you are nuts enough to climb over his fence. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."