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stymie · 05-09-2003, 12:56 PM

I found myself in an awkward situation after purchasing a Striker-12 shotgun in the early '90s. Semantics played a large role in the reclassification of said weapon to DD (Destructive Device) status overnight due to the meddling of Lloyd Bentsen. It was determined that a weapon deemed *un-sporting* with a bore diameter over 0.5" was therefore a DD. Hence, my shotgun had to be registered on a Form #1 during an *amnesty* period. This entailed duplicate FD-258 FBI fingerprint cards, 2"x2" passport type photos & a CLEO sign-off (later waived). As part of the *amnesty* the $200 *making tax* was waived as well. What a PITA!!!

Anyone caught w/o proper registration of this weapon (the USAS-12 & SWD Streetsweeper were included) would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

So... nothing is truly grandfathered & the firearms that we have acquired in full compliance of the laws at the time of purchase can be rendered illegal through semantics at any time.

stymie · 05-09-2003, 01:19 PM

vf1000ride...
If ammo acquisition is a problem as far as costs go, look into buying Winchester 115gr fmj 9mm 50rd boxes for $3.88 at Bass Pro or Galyan's for a further 10% discount (w/flier from Bass Pro) through April 15th, '03. Can't beat that with a stick & it works in all my Lugers. This is a special sale that doesn't come around too often. Stock up now!

Guys I know that are into NFA machineguns are buying it by multiple cases.

John Sabato · 05-09-2003, 01:25 PM

I agree that the 1991 ATF letter appears to contradict the 1981 letter... but for some reason it appears to only apply to Browning HP's...

I think it is about time for someone who has the need to get a new opinion from the current ATF regime since opinions apparently change every 10 years of so...that specifically draws attention to the conflict between the letters... and requests resolution of this conflict...

Unless I am mistaken, Ed Owen retired a couple of years ago and perhaps the new generation of leadership may voice yet another opinion... perhaps even one making sense...

vf1000ride · 05-09-2003, 05:55 PM

Well thats cool that you don't always have to keep the stock on it. Gonna have to read those new links again and see if they make more sence the second time around. The ammo problem is not about price or availability. Just the pure quantity that I tend to shoot.

I picked up a case each of M2 ball and 7.62 NATO last week. If the weather holds tomorrow is range day. <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> I have about 400 left in 9mm and I think I have around 250 in 45acp. Gonna be a fun day.

05-09-2003, 12:56 PM	#21
stymie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: KC,MO USA Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I found myself in an awkward situation after purchasing a Striker-12 shotgun in the early '90s. Semantics played a large role in the reclassification of said weapon to DD (Destructive Device) status overnight due to the meddling of Lloyd Bentsen. It was determined that a weapon deemed un-sporting with a bore diameter over 0.5" was therefore a DD. Hence, my shotgun had to be registered on a Form #1 during an amnesty period. This entailed duplicate FD-258 FBI fingerprint cards, 2"x2" passport type photos & a CLEO sign-off (later waived). As part of the amnesty the $200 making tax was waived as well. What a PITA!!! Anyone caught w/o proper registration of this weapon (the USAS-12 & SWD Streetsweeper were included) would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. So... nothing is truly grandfathered & the firearms that we have acquired in full compliance of the laws at the time of purchase can be rendered illegal through semantics at any time. __________________ "Irony can be pretty ironic!"

05-09-2003, 01:19 PM	#22
stymie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: KC,MO USA Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	vf1000ride... If ammo acquisition is a problem as far as costs go, look into buying Winchester 115gr fmj 9mm 50rd boxes for $3.88 at Bass Pro or Galyan's for a further 10% discount (w/flier from Bass Pro) through April 15th, '03. Can't beat that with a stick & it works in all my Lugers. This is a special sale that doesn't come around too often. Stock up now! Guys I know that are into NFA machineguns are buying it by multiple cases. __________________ "Irony can be pretty ironic!"

05-09-2003, 01:25 PM	#23
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I agree that the 1991 ATF letter appears to contradict the 1981 letter... but for some reason it appears to only apply to Browning HP's... I think it is about time for someone who has the need to get a new opinion from the current ATF regime since opinions apparently change every 10 years of so...that specifically draws attention to the conflict between the letters... and requests resolution of this conflict... Unless I am mistaken, Ed Owen retired a couple of years ago and perhaps the new generation of leadership may voice yet another opinion... perhaps even one making sense... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-09-2003, 05:55 PM	#24
vf1000ride User Join Date: May 2003 Location: columbus, Oh Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well thats cool that you don't always have to keep the stock on it. Gonna have to read those new links again and see if they make more sence the second time around. The ammo problem is not about price or availability. Just the pure quantity that I tend to shoot. I picked up a case each of M2 ball and 7.62 NATO last week. If the weather holds tomorrow is range day. <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> I have about 400 left in 9mm and I think I have around 250 in 45acp. Gonna be a fun day.