Vet Bring Back Mauser Luger - Page 2

pauly · 10-14-2020, 08:51 PM

Here are a few close ups of the only acceptance marks on the pistol and the letter suffix.

pauly · 10-15-2020, 09:29 AM

So based on what I could find this is what I came up with.
Mauser Commercial produced 1034-1939. 1-5 digit serial numbers with the commercial proof on the left side of the pistol.
Does this seem correct?

Thanks
Paul

Mister Sunshine · 10-15-2020, 03:40 PM

For reasons I cannot explain, I don't believe the pistol is a 30 caliber.

pauly · 10-15-2020, 04:41 PM

You may be correct, I can’t confirm the caliber at this time. It’s half way across the country.

GerColctor · 10-23-2020, 03:19 PM

Somehow these stories about how the Luger came into the possession of American soldier seems to always involved the death or capture of German officer. The vast majority of American's could not interpret the ranking of German troops and many an NCO, based upon his uniform was considered to be an officer. Most officers did not carry Lugers, but smaller caliber handguns. There is an expression used relative to officers in the Germain military, "the higher the rank, the smaller the sidearm".

Also, as previous posters mentioned, this Luger's finish did not happen from sitting in the mud for a couple of days, but over a period of time connected against a damp environment. Listen to the guys with the experience, buy the item, not the story.

tomaustin · 10-23-2020, 05:17 PM

put the pencil down the barrel...........

pauly · 10-23-2020, 09:02 PM

So I do agree with the buy the item not the story. Stories are interesting but.....it’s the pistol I am interested in for sure. So what does the pencil down the barrel tell me, caliber?
From previous comments I gather that the caliber will help place when it was made, is that a fair statement?
Thanks to all who chimed in. I appreciate the education.

Paul

gunbugs · 10-23-2020, 11:11 PM

A pencil won't fit down a 30 cal barrel, but will fit in a 9mm hole.

Pistol · 10-24-2020, 07:57 AM

Sounds like a BS story to help sell the gun. There are hundreds of lugers out there to choose from. They always say buy the gun and not the story.

pauly · 10-30-2020, 05:56 PM

So my BIL was able to do the pencil test on this Luger and it is a 9mm.
Not sure if this is helps shed some more light on what this may be? Does 9mm make this a more desirable Luger?

Thanks
Paul

lugerholsterrepair · 10-30-2020, 06:03 PM

Paul, yes...but on a marginal condition pistol..not that much. For a shooter, some yes. 9MM is cheaper than .30.

Lugerdoc · 10-30-2020, 07:08 PM

According to Costanzo in his "Proofmarks" book, this banner falls in the Swiss commerical range, but he shows them as 7.65mm with the 4&3/4" (120mm) long barrel with a grip safety. TH

pauly · 10-30-2020, 07:53 PM

There is no grip safety that I can see. I does have the stock lug. Waiting on a barrel measurement from the BIL.

Doubs · 10-31-2020, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lugerdoc

According to Costanzo in his "Proofmarks" book, this banner falls in the Swiss commerical range, but he shows them as 7.65mm with the 4&3/4" (120mm) long barrel with a grip safety. TH

If you have G&S red books, check pages 768 & 769. The first Oberndorf Swiss pistols in the 5xxv range began in 1931-1932. Then, at approximately 900v in 1933, and over the next 1,000 to approximately 1900v when the 1935 Portuguese GNR contract began, there was a mix of configurations including Swiss models, Stoeger AE Lugers and blank chamber 9mm Lugers with 100mm barrels which fits the OP's Luger. The .30 caliber Lugers within that range were made with both 98mm and 120mm barrels.

pauly · 10-31-2020, 08:56 AM

Based on what I can find and see this appears to be an early Mauser Swiss contract Luger? Made after the transition from DWM to Mauser? No number on the side plate and a proof mark on the toggle train.
Thanks to all who have responded.

Kiwi · 10-31-2020, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Paul, yes...but on a marginal condition pistol..not that much. For a shooter, some yes. 9MM is cheaper than .30.

Not in today's gun frenzy

Ammoseek - cheapest 9mm available 46.8c per round
30 Luger 45c per round (Prvi of Fiocchi)

Doubs · 10-31-2020, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by pauly

Based on what I can find and see this appears to be an early Mauser Swiss contract Luger?

The Swiss pattern Lugers had a grip safety, cross-in-shield and were made, if I'm reading G&S correctly, on a long frame. Your pistol isn't one of the Swiss contract guns. Read my post #34 above.

pauly · 10-31-2020, 03:50 PM

My mistake on the Swiss contract. Reading some Joops information he states that there was confusion at Mauser during the first 1600 V series.

10-14-2020, 08:51 PM	#21
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 269 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	Here are a few close ups of the only acceptance marks on the pistol and the letter suffix. Attached Thumbnails

10-23-2020, 03:19 PM	#25
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 312 Thanks: 2 Thanked 45 Times in 29 Posts	Somehow these stories about how the Luger came into the possession of American soldier seems to always involved the death or capture of German officer. The vast majority of American's could not interpret the ranking of German troops and many an NCO, based upon his uniform was considered to be an officer. Most officers did not carry Lugers, but smaller caliber handguns. There is an expression used relative to officers in the Germain military, "the higher the rank, the smaller the sidearm". Also, as previous posters mentioned, this Luger's finish did not happen from sitting in the mud for a couple of days, but over a period of time connected against a damp environment. Listen to the guys with the experience, buy the item, not the story. __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

10-30-2020, 06:03 PM	#31
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,931 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Paul, yes...but on a marginal condition pistol..not that much. For a shooter, some yes. 9MM is cheaper than .30. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-30-2020, 07:08 PM	#32
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	According to Costanzo in his "Proofmarks" book, this banner falls in the Swiss commerical range, but he shows them as 7.65mm with the 4&3/4" (120mm) long barrel with a grip safety. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-15-2020, 09:29 AM	#22
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 269 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	So based on what I could find this is what I came up with. Mauser Commercial produced 1034-1939. 1-5 digit serial numbers with the commercial proof on the left side of the pistol. Does this seem correct? Thanks Paul

10-15-2020, 03:40 PM	#23
Mister Sunshine User Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Cherry Valley, Ca. Posts: 94 Thanks: 0 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	For reasons I cannot explain, I don't believe the pistol is a 30 caliber.

10-15-2020, 04:41 PM	#24
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 269 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	You may be correct, I can’t confirm the caliber at this time. It’s half way across the country.

10-23-2020, 05:17 PM	#26
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	put the pencil down the barrel...........

10-23-2020, 09:02 PM	#27
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 269 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	So I do agree with the buy the item not the story. Stories are interesting but.....it’s the pistol I am interested in for sure. So what does the pencil down the barrel tell me, caliber? From previous comments I gather that the caliber will help place when it was made, is that a fair statement? Thanks to all who chimed in. I appreciate the education. Paul

10-23-2020, 11:11 PM	#28
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 658 Thanks: 365 Thanked 1,176 Times in 393 Posts	A pencil won't fit down a 30 cal barrel, but will fit in a 9mm hole.

10-24-2020, 07:57 AM	#29
Pistol User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: TN Posts: 428 Thanks: 448 Thanked 220 Times in 99 Posts	Sounds like a BS story to help sell the gun. There are hundreds of lugers out there to choose from. They always say buy the gun and not the story.

10-30-2020, 05:56 PM	#30
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 269 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	So my BIL was able to do the pencil test on this Luger and it is a 9mm. Not sure if this is helps shed some more light on what this may be? Does 9mm make this a more desirable Luger? Thanks Paul

10-30-2020, 07:53 PM	#33
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 269 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	There is no grip safety that I can see. I does have the stock lug. Waiting on a barrel measurement from the BIL.

10-31-2020, 08:56 AM	#35
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 269 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	Based on what I can find and see this appears to be an early Mauser Swiss contract Luger? Made after the transition from DWM to Mauser? No number on the side plate and a proof mark on the toggle train. Thanks to all who have responded.

10-31-2020, 03:50 PM	#38
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 269 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	My mistake on the Swiss contract. Reading some Joops information he states that there was confusion at Mauser during the first 1600 V series.