New DWM Police H.P. Luger question

mrerick · 03-12-2019, 07:35 PM

I'm looking at a newly surfaced and unreported "H.P." unit marked BKIW DWM Police Luger sn 7258 in the "u" block. It has a sear safety and no stock lug.

I'll inspect it tomorrow, but I have a question for collectors familiar with them.

The unit mark appears normally on the front gripstrap, but it also has been stamped with serif typeface dies on the front right side of the receiver (where military proofs are normally located on military accepted pistols).

H. P. 444.

Have any others in the H. P. marked pistols found in the "u" block been marked this way?

Thanks, Marc

Edward Tinker · 03-12-2019, 07:40 PM

I'd have to look up the 'u' block - there are two types of HP marked lugers

DonVoigt · 03-12-2019, 08:45 PM

Yes,
I have one.
Pretty typical of Hesse state markings; as is removal of the stock lug.
Why the "xx" ? Don't know or is it "secret"?

mrerick · 03-12-2019, 08:49 PM

Thanks Don, I acquired it this afternoon, and have updated the original post.

it's all matching, in 9mm and included the matched and H.P.444. stamped plated tin aluminum bottom magazine with an "Asterisk S" acceptance mark.

I've got some fixup to do, and will post pictures soon.

The receiver is marked in the same manner as Don's above.

Thanks again for the background information.

Dwight Gruber · 03-13-2019, 12:13 AM

Marc,

Sounds like a standard H.P. police pistol to me.

Regarding value, these don't bring more than most police marked pistols, but they are more interesting than most. To retain full value it should have at least one matching mag, spine stamped with unit mark.

--Dwight

signal13 · 03-22-2020, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Gruber

Marc,

Sounds like a standard H.P. police pistol to me.

Regarding value, these don't bring more than most police marked pistols, but they are more interesting than most. To retain full value it should have at least one matching mag, spine stamped with unit mark.

--Dwight

Dwight,
I have a commercial DWM stamped with police markings, unit and unit # on the grip strap. The mag is stamped with the same unit # on the bottom as is stamped on the gun. Was it common for them to do this. I always thought the mags should match the guns serial#.

DonVoigt · 03-22-2020, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signal13

Dwight,
I have a commercial DWM stamped with police markings, unit and unit # on the grip strap. The mag is stamped with the same unit # on the bottom as is stamped on the gun. Was it common for them to do this. I always thought the mags should match the guns serial#.

You should start a new post with your pistol and include picture.
Otherwise this will get way confusing.

Don M · 03-27-2020, 02:10 PM

See HWIS pp. 255-63 for more info on H.P. pistols.

03-12-2019, 07:35 PM	#1
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	New DWM Police H.P. Luger question I'm looking at a newly surfaced and unreported "H.P." unit marked BKIW DWM Police Luger sn 7258 in the "u" block. It has a sear safety and no stock lug. I'll inspect it tomorrow, but I have a question for collectors familiar with them. The unit mark appears normally on the front gripstrap, but it also has been stamped with serif typeface dies on the front right side of the receiver (where military proofs are normally located on military accepted pistols). H. P. 444. Have any others in the H. P. marked pistols found in the "u" block been marked this way? Thanks, Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

03-12-2019, 08:45 PM	#3
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Yes, I have one. Pretty typical of Hesse state markings; as is removal of the stock lug. Why the "xx" ? Don't know or is it "secret"? Attached Thumbnails __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

03-12-2019, 08:49 PM	#4
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Thanks Don, I acquired it this afternoon, and have updated the original post. it's all matching, in 9mm and included the matched and H.P.444. stamped plated tin aluminum bottom magazine with an "Asterisk S" acceptance mark. I've got some fixup to do, and will post pictures soon. The receiver is marked in the same manner as Don's above. Thanks again for the background information. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

03-27-2020, 02:10 PM	#8
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	See HWIS pp. 255-63 for more info on H.P. pistols. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,932 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	I'd have to look up the 'u' block - there are two types of HP marked lugers

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Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,901 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,316 Times in 430 Posts	Marc, Sounds like a standard H.P. police pistol to me. Regarding value, these don't bring more than most police marked pistols, but they are more interesting than most. To retain full value it should have at least one matching mag, spine stamped with unit mark. --Dwight