Latest gun confiscate law

hayhugh · 11-16-2018, 06:09 AM

https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/s...cate-firearms/

Major Tom · 11-16-2018, 08:39 AM

So, if your neighbor or a pissed off friend or a vindictive ex wife told the police you were mentally incapable and dangerous to others, the PD would confiscate your guns? Sounds like nazi germany where people ratted out others. I would think a person would to be examined by a head doctor to determine state of mind. I agree that mentally handicapped people should not be owning guns.

hayhugh · 11-16-2018, 08:51 AM

All of these states have adopted this law and nobody knows about it!

Pistol · 11-16-2018, 09:20 AM

Unreal

DonVoigt · 11-16-2018, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Major Tom

So, if your neighbor or a pissed off friend or a vindictive ex wife told the police you were mentally incapable and dangerous to others, the PD would confiscate your guns? Sounds like nazi germany where people ratted out others. I would think a person would to be examined by a head doctor to determine state of mind. I agree that mentally handicapped people should not be owning guns.

But who decides which "head doctor" ?

I do believe none of these "laws" allow an upfront challenge; only After one has lost his firearms can he or she avail themselves of due process;
thus it turns the "process" upside down or backwards.

Please define "mentally handicapped". Some folks actually believe that "wanting" a firearm is evidence of some mental problem.

hayhugh · 11-16-2018, 10:21 AM

All according to how the local police define the "law"...….

lugerholsterrepair · 11-16-2018, 01:12 PM

some other way.

HerrKaiser · 11-16-2018, 02:31 PM

As I understand the premise of these laws, one is allowed to instead delegate one’s firearms to the custody of a family member. Not that such provisions will be recognized or allowed but at least by letter they exist. Hopefully these cases will be a testing ground for the new SCOTUS.

Edward Tinker · 11-16-2018, 03:10 PM

Jerry, I disagree that PTSD is a reason to nullify the 2nd amendment. Really?

This was a huge discussion on the Facebook page of Vet 2 Vet - where they have about 300,000 members. I also know many gun folks hate facebook, especially guys my age.
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This law is too broad, anybody could say you are a threat and then take away your guns - once taken, they are almost impossible to get them back. I know of a S&W 1911 clone that was seized, the guy found innocent but he never got his 1911 back from the police. They stated the request had to go through a lawyer, etc, etc and the process would have cost twice what the gun was worth. So, I imagine if the police showed up at 5 AM at my house and stated they were there to take away my firearms, I would get irate too....

lugerholsterrepair · 11-16-2018, 03:22 PM

My apologies to those who are affected.

Edward Tinker · 11-16-2018, 05:12 PM

well aware of the pitfalls of PTSD - nor do I need a lecture on it.

And I have felt many folks go for it via the VA, because they may or may not have it, but you saying their rights should be taken away - there is no law stating such by the federal gov't. My point is that you are willing to classify that as a reason to take firearms from americans. What is the next step?

Oh, you took so&so pills 5 yrs ago - rights taken - you once stated that you felt suicidal and the doctor logged it in.

You realize that if your rights are taken, pretty much the ENTIRE household should have them taken away.... Pretty slippery slope that you are ready and anxious to occur because of your nephew who is milking the system

DonVoigt · 11-16-2018, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HerrKaiser

As I understand the premise of these laws, one is allowed to instead delegate one’s firearms to the custody of a family member. Not that such provisions will be recognized or allowed but at least by letter they exist. Hopefully these cases will be a testing ground for the new SCOTUS.

Does not sound like the guy in the OP had much notice or a chance to "delegate".

lugerholsterrepair · 11-16-2018, 05:44 PM

Pretty clear to me.

HerrKaiser · 11-16-2018, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Does not sound like the guy in the OP had much notice or a chance to "delegate".

Hence the clause that it may not be recognized or allowed to occur by the court systems that enforce them. However, when I was reading into the Florida laws on this after Parkland they did say that giving possession of them to family members was an option. The 4th amendment is under attack even more so than the 2nd yet few people know enough to dispute the infringements on it that it’s crept further and further along, particularly since the war on drugs started.

mrerick · 11-16-2018, 07:19 PM

Some people here introduced and tried to push this type of law on us in NC during the last session.

The essence of these laws is that they eliminate the concept of "due process" to accelerate the process of disarming individuals. They are literally considered guilty until they can prove their innocence.

This is, in effect, the modern version of the Salem Witch Trials... Make an accusation, disarm the individual and then let them fight and spend their resources to re-establish their rights.

It is just the latest of the hundreds of anti-gun-owner strategies that are being simultaneously pursued by people that are scared of guns and want to eliminate them from our nation.

We actively resisted the attempts to pass these laws here, and they are sure to be reintroduced in the upcoming legislative session.

There are adequate existing laws in every state which allow for disarming a dangerous person (whether violent for mental issues, or other reasons) after following due process. This already includes confiscation triggered by protective risk orders (as established by Federal law 30 years ago).

DavidJayUden · 11-16-2018, 07:19 PM

Not a user of or an advocate for, but there is also the situation where anyone who has ever gotten a prescription for medical marijuana can not own a gun.
And a misdemeanor conviction for a minor incident fitting the description of "domestic abuse" will also bar ownership of firearms. Yes some situations justify the penalty, but others maybe not so much.
We are on a very slippery slope, gentlemen.
dju

calibrator · 11-16-2018, 08:10 PM

How many here are aware of the new phenomena called "SWATTING";

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting

Innocent people have died from this "Prank".

It seems to me that any firearms owner living in a State that allows confiscation without due process could be hazardous to your health or LIFE. Theoretical example; I hate my neighbor, I see him loading his evil guns into the car every weekend, I'm going to call (insert name of local enforcement) and tell them about his "ODD" behavior that the rest of the block finds unsettling.

Here's a REALLY good one from god-forsaken CALIFORNIA, and a Progressive Congressman no less;

https://www.infowars.com/dem-congres...-war-scenario/

Well Brothers, PLEASE don't say (and expect rational thinkers to believe) you support and cherish your gun rights and then vote BLUE.

calibrator · 11-16-2018, 08:20 PM

Here's the picture of an upstanding Californian (Blue ?) that is living the American Dream;

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/13/u...g-wichita.html

Good thing this guy isn't your neighbor, but his brother could be.

Edward Tinker · 11-16-2018, 08:37 PM

Closed

jerry, yes, you were lecturing me. I have a decent education and can read and understand, just because you think different, doesn't make you right.

11-16-2018, 06:09 AM	#1
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Major Tom User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: S.E. Iowa Posts: 484 Thanks: 533 Thanked 227 Times in 124 Posts	So, if your neighbor or a pissed off friend or a vindictive ex wife told the police you were mentally incapable and dangerous to others, the PD would confiscate your guns? Sounds like nazi germany where people ratted out others. I would think a person would to be examined by a head doctor to determine state of mind. I agree that mentally handicapped people should not be owning guns. __________________ I Build Custom Pistol Boxes

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HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 848 Thanks: 784 Thanked 861 Times in 411 Posts	As I understand the premise of these laws, one is allowed to instead delegate one’s firearms to the custody of a family member. Not that such provisions will be recognized or allowed but at least by letter they exist. Hopefully these cases will be a testing ground for the new SCOTUS. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

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lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,933 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	My apologies to those who are affected. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know." Last edited by lugerholsterrepair; 11-18-2018 at 02:02 PM.

11-16-2018, 08:51 AM	#3
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 856 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	All of these states have adopted this law and nobody knows about it!

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Pistol User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: TN Posts: 428 Thanks: 448 Thanked 220 Times in 99 Posts	Unreal

11-16-2018, 10:21 AM	#6
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 856 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	All according to how the local police define the "law"...….

11-16-2018, 03:10 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Jerry, I disagree that PTSD is a reason to nullify the 2nd amendment. Really? This was a huge discussion on the Facebook page of Vet 2 Vet - where they have about 300,000 members. I also know many gun folks hate facebook, especially guys my age. ------------- This law is too broad, anybody could say you are a threat and then take away your guns - once taken, they are almost impossible to get them back. I know of a S&W 1911 clone that was seized, the guy found innocent but he never got his 1911 back from the police. They stated the request had to go through a lawyer, etc, etc and the process would have cost twice what the gun was worth. So, I imagine if the police showed up at 5 AM at my house and stated they were there to take away my firearms, I would get irate too....

11-16-2018, 05:12 PM	#11
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	well aware of the pitfalls of PTSD - nor do I need a lecture on it. And I have felt many folks go for it via the VA, because they may or may not have it, but you saying their rights should be taken away - there is no law stating such by the federal gov't. My point is that you are willing to classify that as a reason to take firearms from americans. What is the next step? Oh, you took so&so pills 5 yrs ago - rights taken - you once stated that you felt suicidal and the doctor logged it in. You realize that if your rights are taken, pretty much the ENTIRE household should have them taken away.... Pretty slippery slope that you are ready and anxious to occur because of your nephew who is milking the system

11-16-2018, 05:44 PM	#13
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,933 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Pretty clear to me. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know." Last edited by lugerholsterrepair; 11-18-2018 at 02:01 PM.

11-16-2018, 07:19 PM	#15
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Some people here introduced and tried to push this type of law on us in NC during the last session. The essence of these laws is that they eliminate the concept of "due process" to accelerate the process of disarming individuals. They are literally considered guilty until they can prove their innocence. This is, in effect, the modern version of the Salem Witch Trials... Make an accusation, disarm the individual and then let them fight and spend their resources to re-establish their rights. It is just the latest of the hundreds of anti-gun-owner strategies that are being simultaneously pursued by people that are scared of guns and want to eliminate them from our nation. We actively resisted the attempts to pass these laws here, and they are sure to be reintroduced in the upcoming legislative session. There are adequate existing laws in every state which allow for disarming a dangerous person (whether violent for mental issues, or other reasons) after following due process. This already includes confiscation triggered by protective risk orders (as established by Federal law 30 years ago). __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-16-2018, 07:19 PM	#16
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Not a user of or an advocate for, but there is also the situation where anyone who has ever gotten a prescription for medical marijuana can not own a gun. And a misdemeanor conviction for a minor incident fitting the description of "domestic abuse" will also bar ownership of firearms. Yes some situations justify the penalty, but others maybe not so much. We are on a very slippery slope, gentlemen. dju

11-16-2018, 08:10 PM	#17
calibrator User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cave Creek Posts: 315 Thanks: 55 Thanked 242 Times in 92 Posts	How many here are aware of the new phenomena called "SWATTING"; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting Innocent people have died from this "Prank". It seems to me that any firearms owner living in a State that allows confiscation without due process could be hazardous to your health or LIFE. Theoretical example; I hate my neighbor, I see him loading his evil guns into the car every weekend, I'm going to call (insert name of local enforcement) and tell them about his "ODD" behavior that the rest of the block finds unsettling. Here's a REALLY good one from god-forsaken CALIFORNIA, and a Progressive Congressman no less; https://www.infowars.com/dem-congres...-war-scenario/ Well Brothers, PLEASE don't say (and expect rational thinkers to believe) you support and cherish your gun rights and then vote BLUE.

11-16-2018, 08:20 PM	#18
calibrator User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cave Creek Posts: 315 Thanks: 55 Thanked 242 Times in 92 Posts	Here's the picture of an upstanding Californian (Blue ?) that is living the American Dream; https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/13/u...g-wichita.html Good thing this guy isn't your neighbor, but his brother could be.

11-16-2018, 08:37 PM	#19
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Closed jerry, yes, you were lecturing me. I have a decent education and can read and understand, just because you think different, doesn't make you right.