Number inside side plate...

zeppelin5000 · 11-05-2018, 12:40 PM

In a discussion on another forum, someone mentioned that after 1939, Mauser began putting the first two digits of the serial number +1 inside the side plate on Lugers. I never realized this so I checked mine and sure enough, there was a 15 (my serial number begins with 14). Does anyone know the reasoning behind them doing this?

John Sabato · 11-05-2018, 01:06 PM

I have known it to be true for years, maybe even decades, but have no clue as the reasoning behind this move at Mauser... Maybe VLIM or Mauro might have an idea...

mrerick · 11-05-2018, 04:10 PM

You'll also find this in DWM Lugers, just a little lower and under the area with the exposed part of the axle.

It was used in the manufacturing process to associate one hand fitted side plate to one pistol among the 10,000 in the suffix group. The side plate is precision hand fit.

This was most likely needed for keeping the gun and the side plate associated through batch related processing after the hand fitting was performed.

At some times, the digits inside the side place were the same as the first two digits of the serial number. At other times, they were the first two digits plus one (or the first digit plus one in the case of a three numeric digit serial number).

Some Lugers were made with this interior side plate number missing. This was likely because it wasn't needed to keep the batch together and properly associated through manufacturing steps.

I believe I've seen a DWM or Mauser manufacturing process step flow document somewhere, but can't remember if it was in Mauro and Gerben's book, Sturgess or one of Jon Speed's books. It didn't have details of the internal factory part numbering, but may indicate a step involving a large number of parts being finished in some way...

We discuss this in the FAQ document also.

Norme · 11-05-2018, 04:54 PM

Internal numbering goes back to Imperial times. Navy side-plates had the first two digits of the serial number stamped internally. The first or second digit was stamped ahead of the receiver lug, but not for all models.
The short answer is that we don't know why they did it, but it probably seemed like a good idea at the time.
Norm

kurusu · 11-05-2018, 05:14 PM

I believe they did it so they could track the sideplate back to the individual gun, it is one of the most fitted parts in a Luger afterall, but I am not sure that there was ever an "official rule", the numbers inside the sideplate can all be related to the full serial number (in a truly matching gun that is) but it seems there was no standard rule.

zeppelin5000 · 11-05-2018, 05:19 PM

Thanks for the info guys. I find it interesting that they used a +1 rather than the actual first 2 digits, and then the last 2 on the outside of the side plate.

HerrKaiser · 11-05-2018, 05:59 PM

Is the side plate interior numbering for DWM unique to military pistols or was it also done for commercial ones? I don't have mine up at school with me to check at the moment.

11-05-2018, 12:40 PM	#1
zeppelin5000 User Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 10 Thanks: 6 Thanked 13 Times in 4 Posts	Number inside side plate... In a discussion on another forum, someone mentioned that after 1939, Mauser began putting the first two digits of the serial number +1 inside the side plate on Lugers. I never realized this so I checked mine and sure enough, there was a 15 (my serial number begins with 14). Does anyone know the reasoning behind them doing this? Attached Thumbnails

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John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	I have known it to be true for years, maybe even decades, but have no clue as the reasoning behind this move at Mauser... Maybe VLIM or Mauro might have an idea... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

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mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	You'll also find this in DWM Lugers, just a little lower and under the area with the exposed part of the axle. It was used in the manufacturing process to associate one hand fitted side plate to one pistol among the 10,000 in the suffix group. The side plate is precision hand fit. This was most likely needed for keeping the gun and the side plate associated through batch related processing after the hand fitting was performed. At some times, the digits inside the side place were the same as the first two digits of the serial number. At other times, they were the first two digits plus one (or the first digit plus one in the case of a three numeric digit serial number). Some Lugers were made with this interior side plate number missing. This was likely because it wasn't needed to keep the batch together and properly associated through manufacturing steps. I believe I've seen a DWM or Mauser manufacturing process step flow document somewhere, but can't remember if it was in Mauro and Gerben's book, Sturgess or one of Jon Speed's books. It didn't have details of the internal factory part numbering, but may indicate a step involving a large number of parts being finished in some way... We discuss this in the FAQ document also. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-05-2018, 04:54 PM	#4
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Internal numbering goes back to Imperial times. Navy side-plates had the first two digits of the serial number stamped internally. The first or second digit was stamped ahead of the receiver lug, but not for all models. The short answer is that we don't know why they did it, but it probably seemed like a good idea at the time. Norm Attached Thumbnails

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HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 848 Thanks: 784 Thanked 861 Times in 411 Posts	Is the side plate interior numbering for DWM unique to military pistols or was it also done for commercial ones? I don't have mine up at school with me to check at the moment. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

11-05-2018, 05:14 PM	#5
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	I believe they did it so they could track the sideplate back to the individual gun, it is one of the most fitted parts in a Luger afterall, but I am not sure that there was ever an "official rule", the numbers inside the sideplate can all be related to the full serial number (in a truly matching gun that is) but it seems there was no standard rule.

11-05-2018, 05:19 PM	#6
zeppelin5000 User Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 10 Thanks: 6 Thanked 13 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks for the info guys. I find it interesting that they used a +1 rather than the actual first 2 digits, and then the last 2 on the outside of the side plate.