New Purchase 1911 DWM

middlebrookfirearms · 03-01-2018, 02:20 PM

Hi Everyone!

First off, thanks for letting me join the forum!

I just recently picked up a new DWM and am looking for some more information. The seller was unsure if it was genuine because he inherited it from his wife's father.

The proof marks all seem right, but anything more is beyond my knowledge.

Top of the slide is marked 1911 DWM. Under the barrel is: SN 5904(e?).

All small parts are matching with the last two of the serial (04).

I've attached some pictures for your consideration, thanks in advance!

George Anderson · 03-01-2018, 03:21 PM

Nice looking 1911. Are there any markings on the grip strap?

middlebrookfirearms · 03-01-2018, 03:32 PM

Unfortunately there's nothing.

DavidJayUden · 03-01-2018, 03:52 PM

A very nice gun and, as far as I can tell, original. 9mm cal. What did you want to know specifically?
dju

middlebrookfirearms · 03-01-2018, 03:59 PM

The big question for me is if it's original or reproduction. I can't seem to find other examples of 1911 DWM's.

It really threw me off as to how clean and free from pitting it is.

HerrKaiser · 03-01-2018, 05:00 PM

It looks good, my only hangup is that there is a date over the chamber as if it was a military gun but there are no military style marks on the parts (they are in the commercial "hidden" placements), weren't military ones prominently displaying those marks or was that a world war 2 military Luger phenomenon?

George Anderson · 03-01-2018, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HerrKaiser

It looks good, my only hangup is that there is a date over the chamber as if it was a military gun but there are no military style marks on the parts (they are in the commercial "hidden" placements), weren't military ones prominently displaying those marks or was that a world war 2 military Luger phenomenon?

All military P08s up through the middle of 1911 have small parts numbered in the commercial fashion. The pistol shown is absolutely correct in every way.

HerrKaiser · 03-01-2018, 11:14 PM

Thanks George!! I always knew the prominent lettering was a sign of definite German military use, I just didnt know they werent always prominently displayed!

Lugerdoc · 03-02-2018, 11:21 AM

Congrat, A hard date to find in exc condition. The only thing I might question, is the originality of the finish. Numbers & suffix on front of frame appear to have been polished, but difficult to say for sure from just a photo. TH

Geo99 · 03-04-2018, 02:39 AM

Halos on barrel SN and toggle axle retaining pin in white with the dimple would indicate that at least the upper is original.

Can you show us a picture of the inside of the lower frame and the underside of the upper? It will help a lot to determine if original.

Also what is stamped on the bottom of the magazine?

- Geo

Geo99 · 03-04-2018, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by george anderson

all military p08s up through the middle of 1911 have small parts numbered in the commercial fashion. The pistol shown is absolutely correct in every way.

+1

This would appear to be a beautiful original 1911 DWM Army pistol.
And this is in the wrong forum - should be under P08 Military, if someone want to move it.

- Geo

Mac Cat · 03-04-2018, 10:08 AM

I like it, but the finish has none of the typical wear marks (hosted rash) ?
Where did this gun from from ?
The edges are sharp and the markings are clean and crisp.
And the suffix looks like an "e" to me.

middlebrookfirearms · 03-05-2018, 12:36 PM

More pictures are attached! Thanks for all the info so far!

Unfortunately the magazine provided with the gun was a modern reproduction with no markings.

The only history we have on it is this; the seller inherited it from his father in law (who collected WW1 and WW2 era guns). Thankfully the gun was stored in a plastic case wrapped in an oiled rag.

Also purchased with this gun was a 1943 Dural Walther PPK and a 1942 Colt 1911 (both of which are genuine and matching).

If anyone else wants more pictures I'm happy to provide!

George Anderson · 03-05-2018, 02:51 PM

The finish appears to be 100% original and correct.

03-01-2018, 02:20 PM	#1
middlebrookfirearms New User Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 4 Thanks: 6 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	New Purchase 1911 DWM Hi Everyone! First off, thanks for letting me join the forum! I just recently picked up a new DWM and am looking for some more information. The seller was unsure if it was genuine because he inherited it from his wife's father. The proof marks all seem right, but anything more is beyond my knowledge. Top of the slide is marked 1911 DWM. Under the barrel is: SN 5904(e?). All small parts are matching with the last two of the serial (04). I've attached some pictures for your consideration, thanks in advance! Attached Thumbnails

03-01-2018, 03:32 PM	#3
middlebrookfirearms New User Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 4 Thanks: 6 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Unfortunately there's nothing. Attached Thumbnails

03-01-2018, 03:59 PM	#5
middlebrookfirearms New User Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 4 Thanks: 6 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	The big question for me is if it's original or reproduction. I can't seem to find other examples of 1911 DWM's. It really threw me off as to how clean and free from pitting it is. Last edited by middlebrookfirearms; 03-01-2018 at 06:22 PM.

03-02-2018, 11:21 AM	#9
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Congrat, A hard date to find in exc condition. The only thing I might question, is the originality of the finish. Numbers & suffix on front of frame appear to have been polished, but difficult to say for sure from just a photo. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

03-04-2018, 02:39 AM	#10
Geo99 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Whidbey Island WA Posts: 398 Thanks: 102 Thanked 125 Times in 74 Posts	Halos on barrel SN and toggle axle retaining pin in white with the dimple would indicate that at least the upper is original. Can you show us a picture of the inside of the lower frame and the underside of the upper? It will help a lot to determine if original. Also what is stamped on the bottom of the magazine? - Geo __________________ "Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie, until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers

03-01-2018, 03:21 PM	#2
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Nice looking 1911. Are there any markings on the grip strap?

03-01-2018, 03:52 PM	#4
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	A very nice gun and, as far as I can tell, original. 9mm cal. What did you want to know specifically? dju

03-01-2018, 05:00 PM	#6
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 848 Thanks: 784 Thanked 861 Times in 411 Posts	It looks good, my only hangup is that there is a date over the chamber as if it was a military gun but there are no military style marks on the parts (they are in the commercial "hidden" placements), weren't military ones prominently displaying those marks or was that a world war 2 military Luger phenomenon?

03-01-2018, 11:14 PM	#8
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 848 Thanks: 784 Thanked 861 Times in 411 Posts	Thanks George!! I always knew the prominent lettering was a sign of definite German military use, I just didnt know they werent always prominently displayed!

03-04-2018, 10:08 AM	#12
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 730 Thanks: 2,093 Thanked 609 Times in 329 Posts	I like it, but the finish has none of the typical wear marks (hosted rash) ? Where did this gun from from ? The edges are sharp and the markings are clean and crisp. And the suffix looks like an "e" to me.

03-05-2018, 12:36 PM	#13
middlebrookfirearms New User Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 4 Thanks: 6 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	More pictures are attached! Thanks for all the info so far! Unfortunately the magazine provided with the gun was a modern reproduction with no markings. The only history we have on it is this; the seller inherited it from his father in law (who collected WW1 and WW2 era guns). Thankfully the gun was stored in a plastic case wrapped in an oiled rag. Also purchased with this gun was a 1943 Dural Walther PPK and a 1942 Colt 1911 (both of which are genuine and matching). If anyone else wants more pictures I'm happy to provide! Attached Thumbnails

03-05-2018, 02:51 PM	#14
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	The finish appears to be 100% original and correct.