Fraud, Deceit or just plain stupidity!

Doug G. · 04-08-2003, 11:34 PM

It never fails to amaze me what crap people will try to pawn off on some unsuspecting newbie! This guy claims that it is an all-matching gun, oh wait I forgot that the extractor is mismatched! <img border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" title="" src="graemlins/cussing.gif" /> Oh yea I thought in 1936 Mauser marked the "42" code on their toggles not DWM! The part that really frosts my ( word edited by admin...you can use your imagination here --JS) is that they ruined the only thing that was collectable. The magazine, when they ground off the serial number and stamped the new on to make it match. I would email the seller, but what good would it do! He is either a crook or an idiot! This rant is officially over. <img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" />

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Frank · 04-09-2003, 09:39 AM

Hi Doug, in addition, just to make your day, take a look at the trigger plate. The bad condition and obvious change in size of the number stamped on it smacks of a foul act as well!!

There is probably more if we could see the pistol in it's entirety. All in all, pretty sad!! I certainly hope no one gets cheated, except maybe the seller!

Sgt Art · 04-11-2003, 10:40 AM

I think the guy just isn't all that knowledgeable and thinks that because he saw a pistol that was "similar" going for that kind of money that his is worth that too. If you tried to educate him, he'd probably not believe you and take offense - don't waste your time. I notice the seller has no feedback rating which would indicate he's a newby there as well.

As far as being cheated goes....well all I can say is we've all probably paid too much for something because we just didn't know better. The piece looks like a real t*rd to me, but perhaps someone who's just dying to own a Luger will be foolish enough to pay that kind of money without doing a bit of shopping around, or checking a few web sites (like this). The seller states it's a re blue which IMO makes it a shooter grade gun worth about $600 +/-.

Sgt Art · 04-11-2003, 10:43 AM

Not to mention, if you turn it upside down, the serial number becomes 666....

Vlim · 04-11-2003, 11:12 AM

Hmm,

Perhaps he can market it as Satan's long lost luger? It's a beast, that's for sure

John D. · 04-11-2003, 11:21 AM

Hmmmm......

It's this kind of stuff that really turns off new collectors.... Imagine that someone actually forks over $1500 on this "EXCELLENT" Luger - and posts it here after the purchase..??

I really, really, really dislike purchasing from the Auction sites - but I have, and will probably continue to - BUT, I always expect something less, and am rarely disappointed.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

The best one yet, was an "all matching" byf about 2 years ago. The photos were fuzzy, so the owner sent some more.. Close-ups of the top, close-ups of the frame (without the SN), close-ups of everything.. So - I bid, being assured it was all matching..... Well - in a way - it WAS all matching! The top half all matched and the bottom all matched. Of course - the TOP and the BOTTOM were NOT matched!!! Oh - and the "perfect blue" was actually perma-marker in black, that never showed in the photos.....

Amazing... Simply amazing...

Sgt Art · 04-11-2003, 12:25 PM

That sort of thing is fraud, doctoring up a piece and deliberately leaving out material information (the mismatched components) and you'd have been within your rights to return the piece for a refund. Will it turn off collectors? I don't think so, you lick your wounds, learn your lesson and be more careful the next time.

I've bought guns from AuctionArms and Gunbroker and can't complain. But, I'm generally a shooter type, and just haven't jumped into the deep end of the pool for big bucks. Figure I can't get hurt too bad that way and there's always going to be a market for shooters. It's nice having the pristine pieces pulling up the low end ones. Never buy the nicest house on the block.

Roadkill · 04-11-2003, 12:41 PM

What I think of when something like this comes up is the word "intent".

rk

ratdog · 04-11-2003, 12:45 PM

John D. · 04-11-2003, 01:53 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ratdog:
[QB][/QB]<hr /></blockquote>Yea - stuff like this leaves me speechless, too

04-08-2003, 11:34 PM	#1
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Fraud, Deceit or just plain stupidity! It never fails to amaze me what crap people will try to pawn off on some unsuspecting newbie! This guy claims that it is an all-matching gun, oh wait I forgot that the extractor is mismatched! <img border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" title="" src="graemlins/cussing.gif" /> Oh yea I thought in 1936 Mauser marked the "42" code on their toggles not DWM! The part that really frosts my ( word edited by admin...you can use your imagination here --JS) is that they ruined the only thing that was collectable. The magazine, when they ground off the serial number and stamped the new on to make it match. I would email the seller, but what good would it do! He is either a crook or an idiot! This rant is officially over. <img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" /> AUCTION LINK __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

04-11-2003, 01:53 PM	#10
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 514 Times in 128 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by ratdog: [QB][/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Yea - stuff like this leaves me speechless, too

04-09-2003, 09:39 AM	#2
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Doug, in addition, just to make your day, take a look at the trigger plate. The bad condition and obvious change in size of the number stamped on it smacks of a foul act as well!! There is probably more if we could see the pistol in it's entirety. All in all, pretty sad!! I certainly hope no one gets cheated, except maybe the seller!

04-11-2003, 10:40 AM	#3
Sgt Art User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SC Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think the guy just isn't all that knowledgeable and thinks that because he saw a pistol that was "similar" going for that kind of money that his is worth that too. If you tried to educate him, he'd probably not believe you and take offense - don't waste your time. I notice the seller has no feedback rating which would indicate he's a newby there as well. As far as being cheated goes....well all I can say is we've all probably paid too much for something because we just didn't know better. The piece looks like a real t*rd to me, but perhaps someone who's just dying to own a Luger will be foolish enough to pay that kind of money without doing a bit of shopping around, or checking a few web sites (like this). The seller states it's a re blue which IMO makes it a shooter grade gun worth about $600 +/-.

04-11-2003, 10:43 AM	#4
Sgt Art User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SC Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Not to mention, if you turn it upside down, the serial number becomes 666....

04-11-2003, 11:12 AM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hmm, Perhaps he can market it as Satan's long lost luger? It's a beast, that's for sure

04-11-2003, 11:21 AM	#6
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 514 Times in 128 Posts	Hmmmm...... It's this kind of stuff that really turns off new collectors.... Imagine that someone actually forks over $1500 on this "EXCELLENT" Luger - and posts it here after the purchase..?? I really, really, really dislike purchasing from the Auction sites - but I have, and will probably continue to - BUT, I always expect something less, and am rarely disappointed.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> The best one yet, was an "all matching" byf about 2 years ago. The photos were fuzzy, so the owner sent some more.. Close-ups of the top, close-ups of the frame (without the SN), close-ups of everything.. So - I bid, being assured it was all matching..... Well - in a way - it WAS all matching! The top half all matched and the bottom all matched. Of course - the TOP and the BOTTOM were NOT matched!!! Oh - and the "perfect blue" was actually perma-marker in black, that never showed in the photos..... Amazing... Simply amazing...

04-11-2003, 12:25 PM	#7
Sgt Art User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SC Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	That sort of thing is fraud, doctoring up a piece and deliberately leaving out material information (the mismatched components) and you'd have been within your rights to return the piece for a refund. Will it turn off collectors? I don't think so, you lick your wounds, learn your lesson and be more careful the next time. I've bought guns from AuctionArms and Gunbroker and can't complain. But, I'm generally a shooter type, and just haven't jumped into the deep end of the pool for big bucks. Figure I can't get hurt too bad that way and there's always going to be a market for shooters. It's nice having the pristine pieces pulling up the low end ones. Never buy the nicest house on the block.

04-11-2003, 12:41 PM	#8
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	What I think of when something like this comes up is the word "intent". rk

04-11-2003, 12:45 PM	#9
ratdog User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts