Another Dumb Question~

cirelaw · 11-25-2017, 03:06 PM

Which of the two firearms have had more survivors, Walther P38 or Lugers? Eric

DonVoigt · 11-25-2017, 04:25 PM

No one can know! Any answer is a guess. JMHO.

sheepherder · 11-25-2017, 04:38 PM

Lugers were made/used in two wars; Walther P38's in only one.

Norme · 11-25-2017, 04:45 PM

You could start your own data base (list), it will give you something to do when you're not asking questions on the forums.
Norm

cirelaw · 11-25-2017, 05:18 PM

Thats cruel naughty Norm~~~I'm not asking only for myself but all of your readers old and young. I'm always in search of luger clues and possibly to track it back. I welcome your input~ Yes I have the books~ Eric

Copies of the bring back forms may help! I wonder where are the original copies are stored! http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/foru...ure-paperwork/

ithacaartist · 11-25-2017, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Copies of the bring back forms may help! I wonder where are the original copies are stored!

If someone found something like that, it might be a treasure trove of info.

George Anderson · 11-25-2017, 07:24 PM

I believe that all Army records stored in Kansas City or some place in the mid-West were lost in a fire in 1973. I know my records were lost.

kurusu · 11-25-2017, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

Lugers were made/used in two wars; Walther P38's in only one.

Wrong.

DonVoigt · 11-25-2017, 08:02 PM

Like I said, it is a question without and answer; and what difference can it possibly make anyway?
Who cares? There are more than enough to go around for sure.

JMHO.

cirelaw · 11-25-2017, 08:06 PM

Wrong!!! Knowledge does make a difference!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!rarety affects price, demand Etc. Eric~ BIG DIFFERENCE~How much is "enough to go around"?

DonVoigt · 11-25-2017, 08:22 PM

Knowledge implies you "know" something- which means accurately.
How can an unknowable, un-provable answer be "knowledge?

Any answer to your question of survival will only be an opinion, not knowledge.

cirelaw · 11-25-2017, 08:34 PM

Opinion is knowledge gained!! Often a fine start!! The number of cartridge counters is knowledge, fifty! How many survive is an opinion!! Big difference! I used to have to pay experts in trial for $500/hr. The insurance company would pay double believing their opinion was better because the payed more! The opinions of our forum members are priceless, honest including your own!!

Heres the process on page 8~ http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/foru...ure-paperwork/ PRICELESS!

Military Records~ http://www.kshs.org/p/military-records/11204

Thanks George~ http://www.kshs.org/p/military-recor...d-war-ii/11202

DonVoigt · 11-25-2017, 10:10 PM

Eric,
people get paid for all kinds of opinions, doctors come to mind first!
But don't confuse opinion with knowledge!
You know what they say about opinions- every one has an opinion!

cirelaw · 11-25-2017, 10:37 PM

Yes~But every man does't own a luger or few~I gained my knowlege from reading over 10k in posts and I still know little! I never forget the feel of a 1914 DWM artillery and the many hands whose lives depended on it! That is why everyone is invited to add to their Own Luger Love Story!

I also learned that intelligence is the ability to convince others that you are intelligent!!

Good Article http://www.guns.com/2014/01/17/walth...ombat-handgun/

kurusu · 11-26-2017, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Which of the two firearms have had more survivors, Walther P38 or Lugers? Eric

The real question is which one survived.
And for that there is an easy answer. The P38 did.

Adopted in 1961 to replace the Luger it is still in use in our armed forces today.

Survived the use in our 3 front colonial war that lasted from 1961 to 1974.

Edward Tinker · 11-26-2017, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Copies of the bring back forms may help! I wonder where are the original copies are stored! http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/foru...ure-paperwork/

any copies of the capture forms would be long, long gone. The military doesn't keep forms unless they are told to keep them, so usually once a soldier leaves the unit, the forms are destroyed. I have always heard that the bring back paperwork was in 2 or 3 copies - two being with the gun is not uncommon - and I assume that a copy went to some customs bloke or the like. But again, there might be a stash of them that someone misplaced or kept, but they would not have kept longer than a few years in almost every case.

I am sure it happened, but I have never heard of the documents being copied or being annotated on official military records. I have heard rumors that ''some'' marine records were annotated...

alanint · 11-27-2017, 11:12 AM

Stacks of original, unused bring-back papers were circulating on the net some years ago. A skilled faker with a fountain pen can dummy up almost anything you want with one of these in hand. This is one of the reasons I don't place much value in them, unless the provenance is solid from the original GI.

George Anderson · 11-27-2017, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint

Stacks of original, unused bring-back papers were circulating on the net some years ago. A skilled faker with a fountain pen can dummy up almost anything you want with one of these in hand. This is one of the reasons I don't place much value in them, unless the provenance is solid from the original GI.

About the same time I frequently saw dealers selling carbon paper at gun shows.

11-25-2017, 03:06 PM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Another Dumb Question~ Which of the two firearms have had more survivors, Walther P38 or Lugers? Eric

11-25-2017, 04:25 PM	#2
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	No one can know! Any answer is a guess. JMHO. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

11-25-2017, 04:38 PM	#3
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Lugers were made/used in two wars; Walther P38's in only one. __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

11-25-2017, 05:18 PM	#5
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thats cruel naughty Norm~~~I'm not asking only for myself but all of your readers old and young. I'm always in search of luger clues and possibly to track it back. I welcome your input~ Yes I have the books~ Eric Copies of the bring back forms may help! I wonder where are the original copies are stored! http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/foru...ure-paperwork/ Last edited by Edward Tinker; 11-26-2017 at 11:12 PM.

11-25-2017, 08:02 PM	#9
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Like I said, it is a question without and answer; and what difference can it possibly make anyway? Who cares? There are more than enough to go around for sure. JMHO. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

11-25-2017, 04:45 PM	#4
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	You could start your own data base (list), it will give you something to do when you're not asking questions on the forums. Norm

11-25-2017, 07:24 PM	#7
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	I believe that all Army records stored in Kansas City or some place in the mid-West were lost in a fire in 1973. I know my records were lost.

11-25-2017, 08:06 PM	#10
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Wrong!!! Knowledge does make a difference!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!rarety affects price, demand Etc. Eric~ BIG DIFFERENCE~How much is "enough to go around"?

11-25-2017, 08:22 PM	#11
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Knowledge implies you "know" something- which means accurately. How can an unknowable, un-provable answer be "knowledge? Any answer to your question of survival will only be an opinion, not knowledge. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

11-25-2017, 08:34 PM	#12
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Opinion is knowledge gained!! Often a fine start!! The number of cartridge counters is knowledge, fifty! How many survive is an opinion!! Big difference! I used to have to pay experts in trial for $500/hr. The insurance company would pay double believing their opinion was better because the payed more! The opinions of our forum members are priceless, honest including your own!! Heres the process on page 8~ http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/foru...ure-paperwork/ PRICELESS! Military Records~ http://www.kshs.org/p/military-records/11204 Thanks George~ http://www.kshs.org/p/military-recor...d-war-ii/11202 Last edited by Edward Tinker; 11-26-2017 at 11:13 PM.

11-25-2017, 10:10 PM	#13
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Eric, people get paid for all kinds of opinions, doctors come to mind first! But don't confuse opinion with knowledge! You know what they say about opinions- every one has an opinion! __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

11-25-2017, 10:37 PM	#14
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Yes~But every man does't own a luger or few~I gained my knowlege from reading over 10k in posts and I still know little! I never forget the feel of a 1914 DWM artillery and the many hands whose lives depended on it! That is why everyone is invited to add to their Own Luger Love Story! I also learned that intelligence is the ability to convince others that you are intelligent!! Good Article http://www.guns.com/2014/01/17/walth...ombat-handgun/ Last edited by Edward Tinker; 11-26-2017 at 11:14 PM.

11-27-2017, 11:12 AM	#17
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Stacks of original, unused bring-back papers were circulating on the net some years ago. A skilled faker with a fountain pen can dummy up almost anything you want with one of these in hand. This is one of the reasons I don't place much value in them, unless the provenance is solid from the original GI.