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11-26-2016, 03:07 PM | #1 |
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41 Luger Find
Hope this is in the right spot on the forum. Recently had neighbor's brother in law pass on. He was a WWII Veteran and his wife needed to sell off some items he brought back from Germany.
I purchased 2 items from the estate. One is a 1941 Luger , all matching including the magazine and the other is a Nazi dagger. I do not know much about these, I just have a Luger shooter and that's about all. If anyone can advise what I have, I would appreciate it. The condition of the Luger is not as nice as I would like it to be, but we can't change that. The Dagger is nice as is and appeals to me. I hope the pictures come thru. TIA, Joe in SW Va. |
11-26-2016, 03:12 PM | #2 |
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Story has it that the "spotting" was caused by the blood of the German soldier...??? Well here are pics of the Dagger...
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11-26-2016, 03:23 PM | #3 |
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I never believe the blood spotting theories ie instant blue loss. Some folks insist they are true and others say that they have tested assorted blued items with real blood and nothing happened they said. What is most likely is that it got wet (blood, rain, snow) and sat in a holster or backpack for weeks, not wiped down like the guns they depended on. if it happened after the war, same thing, neglect.
I see a matching, byf (Mauser) made in 1941 Luger with a matching magazine. Unless you paid too much, the matching mag makes up for some of the bluing issues. ed
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Knowing the back story is always "nice".
But blood pitting is usually used to explain poor care/storage as Ed said; and it really makes No difference how the pistol reached that condition in regard to its value or sale-ability. JMHO.
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11-26-2016, 04:02 PM | #5 |
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Thanks for the info on the blood theory, I thought as much...One fellow told me it was a Black widow Luger...??I do not know, I was glad to help the widow out, I gave more than the other offers for the 2 items..
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Apparently you do have a "black widow," as they are called. About the blood issue: I have a Luger (1936) that has what was told to me, by veteran's family, as German soldier's blood. It has bluing gone in areas that relate to gripping with either hand, in normal fashion. It isn't rusted. The bluing is just "cleaned" off. The substance was in place when I got the pistol from the family. When I wiped the gun with an oily rag that dried, flaky bluing came lose - cleanly. The matter that caused the bluing to pull lose could have been anything, as far as I know. The pattern on the gun of where a hand would grip the item (on both sides) seems logically to relate to blood. I accept it that way. Others can believe what they wish.
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11-26-2016, 11:40 PM | #7 |
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Nice finds! The byf is nice but I really like the niederheiden grip marked SA dagger.
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Years ago while moving I had a really nice modern Highpower in a case.
I thought I had forgotten it in the load I had I had brought. Anyway after about 2 days I found it in a plastic tub in my trailer under a foot of water. I wasn't worried, but when I tok it out, big random patches of blue were completely gone. Right down to bare metal. Some combination of the water and that case ate right in to it. No pits, just no blue. I have always thought the blood pitting was baloney. I saw some pics of a really ate up Tok that a guy claimed to find under a rotted NVA body that had been exposed to the decay and corruption. That was somewhat convincing. 70 plus years is a long time for some things. Lots can happen. Always laugh at the "been there look" comments. |
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You just have to look at how pistols are normally used. A pistol is a sidearm and spends most of its service life in a holster, so it won't get dinged up nearly as much as a rifle. If I had to guess, most of the "battle wear" and "blood stains" you find on old guns are actually a result of post war Bubba abuse. It doesn't matter if a gun made it through WWII without a scratch, Bubba can make it look like it has been in Normandie, Stalingrad and Bastogne, all at the same time. So guns like that have "been there" in a way, it's just a matter of where.
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My basic point was/is that the "why" an object is pitted or lacks blue just does not matter with respect to its desirability or value- JMHO>
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CAP. i usually feel that the cost of a restoration is not usually justified for most common military PO8s, but yours may be the exception. If it is in fact all matching parts with an exc bore, nice orig black widow grips and matching mag, you may want to forward the above photos to Ted Green at Thor380@aol.com for a quote. TH
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I agree with Tom on possibly restoring this all matching '41 Mauser. I believe that is what I would do.
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I am correct to understand that I may want to have this Luger restored...??? Please advise further...
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As to blood destroying bluing...I have no clue...
But a few years back, I wanted to 'age' a new barrel that I had fabricated and screwed into my C96 Mauser barrel extension...I asked here what was a way to make steel acquire the 'patina' of 90 years...George Anderson replied that I should soak the part in urine... I wasn't sure if old George was messing with my mind...but it took a couple days to fill a liter Coke bottle anyway...So I tried it... And to my utter amazement, it turned the bare steel a dark black-ish color...It now sits on my infamous 'Red Five' C96, and most people have no idea it isn't a result of natural oxidation... I've heard that this is also the treatment that Japanese swordmakers use to heat-treat steel blades... Now, I don't know if urine has the same effect as blood on bluing, but I would no longer be surprised if it did... (Before & after, finished barrel [bottom two] straight from the Coke bottle...)
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