1918 ammo - luger & browning long

Edward Tinker · 05-29-2016, 09:36 PM

I came across these two today - was at an antique shop, was totally surprised to find them in a guy who sells militaria! They'll look a lot nicer after I wrap them in shrink wrap...

First box is 9mm Browning Long - unopened!

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9mm Browning Long is similar to the 9×19mm Parabellum, but has a slightly longer casing and is semi-rimmed, so the cartridge headspaces on the rim. 9×19mm also uses a heavier bullet and is more powerful. Ammunition was produced in Belgium, France, England, Sweden[4] and the United States. There was some production in Germany during World War I for the Ottoman Empire, and the cartridge was also used in South Africa.

And the 2nd is a 1918 box of 9mm Luger

Both military, interesting finds

Ed

Eugen · 05-29-2016, 09:58 PM

Most interesting. That was a special find for sure.

cirelaw · 05-29-2016, 10:12 PM

Good Stuff!

G.T. · 05-29-2016, 10:34 PM

Hi Ed, what is the 1918 bullet shape ball or truncated cone... GT....

Edward Tinker · 05-29-2016, 10:42 PM

Looks rounded to me

Zorba · 05-30-2016, 12:12 AM

Shoot it, shoot it!!!

cirelaw · 05-30-2016, 12:21 AM

Pick up at Walmart, if your state allows ~ Winchester, White Box, 9mm/luger~

Sergio Natali · 05-30-2016, 11:28 AM

Very special finding Ed, surely here in Europe it would be impossible to find a box of live cartridges in an antique shop.

Edward Tinker · 05-30-2016, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Very special finding Ed, surely here in Europe it would be impossible to find a box of live cartridges in an antique shop.

it is more uncommon than common. As you go out in the country, you see it both ways. I was very happy to see them - my wife suggested that we go antiquing, which we both like. And went to a town called Adamstown, PA, only about 45 miles away. There were about 6 large antique malls - more expensive than shops near where we live, but the amount of things to look at was huge. I am pickier than I used to be, but sometimes things just jump out at you

Smaller Depression era bowl - gotta be green - my friend Bill and Mary will understand this picture

and something common but not ever looked at by me, a small bank book. This 1911 is almost life scale, made from metal (they said aluminum, but its not light) and makes a nice addition, I already have a Luger, should have bought the P38 I saw at another shop (likely same dealer, as it was same town and same type of stuff sold)

Olle · 05-30-2016, 12:25 PM

Nice find!

9mm Browning Long is a totally obsolete caliber, and finding a pistol in that caliber is not easy. As far as I know, it was only used in FN 1903 and the Swedish M/07 (which are basically the same gun).

You can actually find Swedish surplus right now, seems like somebody brought in a large shipment a few years ago and you can still find it for reasonable money: https://www.libertytreecollectors.co...&idcategory=12 . I lucked out and found an M/07 in original caliber, so I bought 10 boxes of 1941 production from Samco (before they went bankrupt and closed the doors

) to go with it. Haven't test fired yet, but the ammo is sure cheap enough to shoot.

JTD · 05-30-2016, 01:06 PM

Ed, I like the 9 luger box of ammo, email me if you are parting with it. John

Vlim · 05-30-2016, 02:48 PM

Nice find.

Headstamps are from Rheinische Metallwaarenfabrik in Sommerda. (Rheinmetall).

jonnyc · 05-30-2016, 05:59 PM

Nice finds Ed. I wish the 9x19 label was complete.
Adamstown was one of the reasons we started our Denver/Morgantown, PA cartridge show where we did, now back about 23 years ago. Some of the wives really like the outlets and antique shops in the area.
Might that 1911 be a holster-maker form?

Edward Tinker · 05-30-2016, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jonnyc

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Might that 1911 be a holster-maker form?

it could be Johnny - except the same place they had a Luger one, just like it and another shop a P38 (I think all same seller).

Been always told they were training guns, but who knows?

Have you ever seen any german military 9m Browning Long?

Grantas · 05-31-2016, 03:11 AM

Hi Ed, here's a 1917 pkt to go with it

alanint · 05-31-2016, 09:36 AM

The cast 1911 looks like the ones that came out of the MGM auction back in the 1980s.

I have a SAA and a S&W revolver that look just like this. They were made to dress up background extras in movies, where the extras did not participate in the action.

John Sabato · 05-31-2016, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

it could be Johnny - except the same place they had a Luger one, just like it and another shop a P38 (I think all same seller).

Been always told they were training guns, but who knows?

Ed I don't doubt that these could be training guns. I can remember these props being used for parade holster duty in the late 1960's and early 1970's... Probably also for drill teams and ROTC formations. Hard to sneak off campus with an M-1 or M-14 rifle, but handguns were small enough to be pilfered.

Olle · 05-31-2016, 10:18 AM

Or could it be one of the Lytle Novelty Company guns...?

jonnyc · 06-02-2016, 11:49 PM

Ed-
Any Swedish, Austrian, or Belgian 9mm BL could have been used by the Germans, but there are a few headstamps that really fit the bill:
-Austrian H 5 18
-German S / 6 / 16 / /
-Belgian F N 08
-German RWS 1932
The above are all believed to have been used by German military forces. There may be others I don't know about, but these are in my collection.

Edward Tinker · 06-03-2016, 01:05 AM

Thanks, will try to take picture tomorrow, as I've wrapped it and it looks nicer, easier to read I think.

05-29-2016, 09:58 PM	#2
Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 790 Thanks: 394 Thanked 631 Times in 334 Posts	Most interesting. That was a special find for sure. __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

05-29-2016, 10:34 PM	#4
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,507 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,653 Times in 1,004 Posts	1918 ammo Hi Ed, what is the 1918 bullet shape ball or truncated cone... GT....

05-29-2016, 10:42 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Looks rounded to me Attached Images

05-30-2016, 11:28 AM	#8
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Very special finding Ed, surely here in Europe it would be impossible to find a box of live cartridges in an antique shop. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

05-30-2016, 12:25 PM	#10
Olle User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,149 Thanks: 159 Thanked 663 Times in 318 Posts	Nice find! 9mm Browning Long is a totally obsolete caliber, and finding a pistol in that caliber is not easy. As far as I know, it was only used in FN 1903 and the Swedish M/07 (which are basically the same gun). You can actually find Swedish surplus right now, seems like somebody brought in a large shipment a few years ago and you can still find it for reasonable money: https://www.libertytreecollectors.co...&idcategory=12 . I lucked out and found an M/07 in original caliber, so I bought 10 boxes of 1941 production from Samco (before they went bankrupt and closed the doors ) to go with it. Haven't test fired yet, but the ammo is sure cheap enough to shoot. __________________ Deer Hollow Enterprises, LLC Gun repair and restoration

05-29-2016, 10:12 PM	#3
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Good Stuff!

05-30-2016, 12:12 AM	#6
Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 952 Thanks: 777 Thanked 527 Times in 290 Posts	Shoot it, shoot it!!!

05-30-2016, 12:21 AM	#7
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Pick up at Walmart, if your state allows ~ Winchester, White Box, 9mm/luger~

05-30-2016, 01:06 PM	#11
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	Ed, I like the 9 luger box of ammo, email me if you are parting with it. John

05-30-2016, 02:48 PM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Nice find. Headstamps are from Rheinische Metallwaarenfabrik in Sommerda. (Rheinmetall).

05-30-2016, 05:59 PM	#13
jonnyc User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 425 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 34 Posts	Nice finds Ed. I wish the 9x19 label was complete. Adamstown was one of the reasons we started our Denver/Morgantown, PA cartridge show where we did, now back about 23 years ago. Some of the wives really like the outlets and antique shops in the area. Might that 1911 be a holster-maker form?

05-31-2016, 03:11 AM	#15
Grantas Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: New Zealand Posts: 55 Thanks: 274 Thanked 26 Times in 20 Posts	Hi Ed, here's a 1917 pkt to go with it Attached Thumbnails __________________ LOOKING for Erfurt Takedown lever and sideplate number 44 also DWM Magazine 2823a

05-31-2016, 09:36 AM	#16
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The cast 1911 looks like the ones that came out of the MGM auction back in the 1980s. I have a SAA and a S&W revolver that look just like this. They were made to dress up background extras in movies, where the extras did not participate in the action.

05-31-2016, 10:18 AM	#18
Olle User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,149 Thanks: 159 Thanked 663 Times in 318 Posts	Or could it be one of the Lytle Novelty Company guns...? __________________ Deer Hollow Enterprises, LLC Gun repair and restoration

06-02-2016, 11:49 PM	#19
jonnyc User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 425 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 34 Posts	Ed- Any Swedish, Austrian, or Belgian 9mm BL could have been used by the Germans, but there are a few headstamps that really fit the bill: -Austrian H 5 18 -German S / 6 / 16 / / -Belgian F N 08 -German RWS 1932 The above are all believed to have been used by German military forces. There may be others I don't know about, but these are in my collection.

06-03-2016, 01:05 AM	#20
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Thanks, will try to take picture tomorrow, as I've wrapped it and it looks nicer, easier to read I think.