Luger cal 7.65 s/n 19430.

Sircrocus · 03-21-2016, 11:58 AM

HI, here I uploaded some pictures of my Luger. Is in my family since new. It was my grand uncle (married to my grand father's sister) official swiss pistol, who apparently inherited it also. We still can't still know A.P. stands for. And why is engraved in spanish instead of german.
There is another number near the B U G #17228

alanint · 03-21-2016, 01:49 PM

The date is certainly interesting for some users of both MAC and certain Samsung applications!

ithacaartist · 03-21-2016, 04:58 PM

Welcome to the forum, Cedric. Perhaps some light may be shed on your pistol's origins.

You do not list your locale, nor where it was purchased new by your uncle, but the clue about the engraved date--"Spanish,not German"--makes me want to guess Germany. In one respect this would be appropriate, if it were purchased in the U.S. it would have displayed "Germany" somewhere, as the country of origin would have been stamped for import here.

So, it's a M1900 Commercial which seems to be in very good condition! The "#17228" on the barrel would be the old style of marking its bore diameter. Be sure to at least rub it down with a bit of oil to maintain the finish. There is a data base of commercial serial numbers on the site, and yours has not likely been reported yet, due to the history you've given for it. We cannot tell from the pic, but if it has an early commercial magazine, its follower button will be distinctive, and the mag itself very desirable.

You possess a fine heirloom which embodies a bit of history and quite a bit of value due to its condition. I would be proud to have a pistol like this!

Sergio Natali · 03-22-2016, 05:07 AM

Cedrid

Welcome to our LUGER Forum.

I think you've got an interesting Second Series DWM 1900 Commercial, with a Spanish engraved date 1st of January 1904
I assume the "A.P." might have been the initials of the name of the owner.
My 2 cents.

Best.

Norme · 03-22-2016, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

Well, I know where Berlin is...Is Enero a city???

Enero is Spanish for January.

John Sabato · 03-22-2016, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by alanint

The date is certainly interesting for some users of both MAC and certain Samsung applications!

How so Doug? Please explain...

kurusu · 03-22-2016, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

Well, I know where Berlin is...Is Enero a city???

BTW: The ducktail on the rear toggle has been slapping the frame pretty hard...You might want to check your mainspring and see if one of the leaves hasn't broken...

The tool marks on the dish on the rear toggle are interesting...

Looks about normal to me.

alanint · 03-22-2016, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by John Sabato

How so Doug? Please explain...

The date rang a bell with me and I remembered reading that older MACs and some Samsung Apps have a habit of mysteriously resetting themselves to that precise date. It is apparently still an IT mystery that nobody has entirely figured out or explained.

Here are just a few of many dozens of references available on the net about this phenomenon.

http://lowendmac.com/lab/04/0115.html

http://forums.ni.com/t5/LabVIEW/What...04/td-p/409440

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/m...cafa128?auth=1

Mauser 712 · 03-22-2016, 06:09 PM

This pistol in a Model 1900 Commercial with serial #19430 which was given to someone likely of Latin origin in Berlin with his initials A. P. on the chamber on 1st January, 1904. He could have been a government official or military officer from a country in Latin America who was given this pistol as a gift.

Except for the light patina on the grip straps, it is in very good condition.

Keep care of it,
Albert

Sircrocus · 03-29-2016, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Welcome to the forum, Cedric. Perhaps some light may be shed on your pistol's origins.

You do not list your locale, nor where it was purchased new by your uncle, but the clue about the engraved date--"Spanish,not German"--makes me want to guess Germany. In one respect this would be appropriate, if it were purchased in the U.S. it would have displayed "Germany" somewhere, as the country of origin would have been stamped for import here.

So, it's a M1900 Commercial which seems to be in very good condition! The "#17228" on the barrel would be the old style of marking its bore diameter. Be sure to at least rub it down with a bit of oil to maintain the finish. There is a data base of commercial serial numbers on the site, and yours has not likely been reported yet, due to the history you've given for it. We cannot tell from the pic, but if it has an early commercial magazine, its follower button will be distinctive, and the mag itself very desirable.

You possess a fine heirloom which embodies a bit of history and quite a bit of value due to its condition. I would be proud to have a pistol like this!

Hi, ithacaartist
Thank you very much for the welcome.
My uncle must surely inherited also as for in 1904 he was a boy.
He was born in Switzerland and for 1936 came to live in Argentine and here he maintained his swiss officer rank and retired with his gun (this one). I can't follow any more traces of the gun, as I have no longer living members who could tell me further.
When given to me I was barely 18 and the gun all in pieces in a box. Nice puzzle for me at that time.
What is Odd is the the date is bad composed in spanish. Should be Berlin, 1 de enero de 1904 not as it is. So that denotes it was written by a non native speaker.
Best Cedric

alanint · 03-29-2016, 10:27 AM

It is written as a German would directly translate it.

03-21-2016, 04:58 PM	#3
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,343 Thanks: 7,264 Thanked 2,576 Times in 1,364 Posts	Welcome to the forum, Cedric. Perhaps some light may be shed on your pistol's origins. You do not list your locale, nor where it was purchased new by your uncle, but the clue about the engraved date--"Spanish,not German"--makes me want to guess Germany. In one respect this would be appropriate, if it were purchased in the U.S. it would have displayed "Germany" somewhere, as the country of origin would have been stamped for import here. So, it's a M1900 Commercial which seems to be in very good condition! The "#17228" on the barrel would be the old style of marking its bore diameter. Be sure to at least rub it down with a bit of oil to maintain the finish. There is a data base of commercial serial numbers on the site, and yours has not likely been reported yet, due to the history you've given for it. We cannot tell from the pic, but if it has an early commercial magazine, its follower button will be distinctive, and the mag itself very desirable. You possess a fine heirloom which embodies a bit of history and quite a bit of value due to its condition. I would be proud to have a pistol like this! __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

03-22-2016, 05:07 AM	#4
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Cedrid Welcome to our LUGER Forum. I think you've got an interesting Second Series DWM 1900 Commercial, with a Spanish engraved date 1st of January 1904 I assume the "A.P." might have been the initials of the name of the owner. My 2 cents. Best. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list. Last edited by Sergio Natali; 03-22-2016 at 10:39 AM.

03-21-2016, 11:58 AM	#1
Sircrocus New User Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Argentina Posts: 2 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Luger cal 7.65 s/n 19430. HI, here I uploaded some pictures of my Luger. Is in my family since new. It was my grand uncle (married to my grand father's sister) official swiss pistol, who apparently inherited it also. We still can't still know A.P. stands for. And why is engraved in spanish instead of german. There is another number near the B U G #17228 Attached Thumbnails

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alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The date is certainly interesting for some users of both MAC and certain Samsung applications!

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Mauser 712 User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 42 Thanks: 4 Thanked 20 Times in 12 Posts	This pistol in a Model 1900 Commercial with serial #19430 which was given to someone likely of Latin origin in Berlin with his initials A. P. on the chamber on 1st January, 1904. He could have been a government official or military officer from a country in Latin America who was given this pistol as a gift. Except for the light patina on the grip straps, it is in very good condition. Keep care of it, Albert

03-29-2016, 10:27 AM	#11
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	It is written as a German would directly translate it.