1941 Mauser Banner of Unknown Identity

Gun-R-Us · 11-21-2015, 01:34 AM

I recently got my hands a 1941 Banner Mauser P08 Luger. The question exactly what is it? All the numbers match, but it has a sear safety. I know that was typically found on Police models. But police models were usually all black, or at least the photo's I've seen were black looking. So is it a commercial model, or a police model taken from commercial to fill a contract? As the pics show you can see tooling marks on the frame, especially on the right side. I have one matching #2 magazine. The box is something the original "american" owner had built for it. The original owner that brought it back to the US said he obtained it in Austria.

LU1900 · 11-21-2015, 02:47 AM

Typical banner police , only problem with the extractor : must be in black , nice matching mag
Seems to be eagle L stamped on right side, I don't see well

SteveM · 11-21-2015, 06:16 AM

1941 Banner Police and it has been redone, as LU1900 said the extractor should not be strawed(nor should the other small parts). Also, the dome of the rivet on the sear safety should be in the white. It appears to have been blued.

DonVoigt · 11-21-2015, 07:28 AM

Looks like the second owner had the piece re-finished, likely when he had the box made for it.
A little too much buffing in places.

FNorm · 11-21-2015, 08:06 AM

Still, a nice piece. A good example of the luger art. I wouldn't throw it away...

Is that the 'X' block?

Sergio Natali · 11-21-2015, 09:41 AM

In my opinion nice luger, although that extractor trigger and the thumb safety strawed stand out a bit.
Probably partially reblued but I can't really tell from the pictures.

rhuff · 11-21-2015, 04:10 PM

A nice looking Banner luger that has been redone nicely, but not correctly. I would be proud to own it.

Mac Cat · 11-21-2015, 07:36 PM

Handsome gun!

I'm not any expert, but it just looks like it's been refinished (re-blued). No signs of normal wear that gun that old should have.

I also thought the side plate looked odd in one of the photos - it seems to be irregularly shaped on the raised part. If it's not correctly fitted, the side plate may give you trouble firing the gun.

The extractor is a very odd color. Some are a plum color, but this one looks wrong to me. The sear safety would not have originally been straw colored, but it does look good.d

The only part we can't see is the front of the frame, where the full serial numbers and suffix are found above the trigger guard. Good photos, otherwise.

Overall, it's a handsome gun!

ithacaartist · 11-22-2015, 02:10 AM

One might consider having the strawed parts blued in order to make its configuration something consistent with how it was born. But any Luger is a wonder to behold, and if you're more worried about shooting it than the finer points, then it's already good to go, and should make a dandy shooter that has a touch of collectibility and no shortage of charm. As a bonus, its out-of-kilter flat surfaces can turn the conversation to a cautionary tale about how less is sometimes more when it comes to Luger refinishing.

11-21-2015, 01:34 AM	#1
Gun-R-Us New User Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	1941 Mauser Banner of Unknown Identity I recently got my hands a 1941 Banner Mauser P08 Luger. The question exactly what is it? All the numbers match, but it has a sear safety. I know that was typically found on Police models. But police models were usually all black, or at least the photo's I've seen were black looking. So is it a commercial model, or a police model taken from commercial to fill a contract? As the pics show you can see tooling marks on the frame, especially on the right side. I have one matching #2 magazine. The box is something the original "american" owner had built for it. The original owner that brought it back to the US said he obtained it in Austria. Attached Thumbnails

11-21-2015, 08:06 AM	#5
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Still, a nice piece. A good example of the luger art. I wouldn't throw it away... Is that the 'X' block? Last edited by FNorm; 11-21-2015 at 08:07 AM. Reason: sp

11-21-2015, 09:41 AM	#6
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	In my opinion nice luger, although that extractor trigger and the thumb safety strawed stand out a bit. Probably partially reblued but I can't really tell from the pictures. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-22-2015, 02:10 AM	#9
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,346 Thanks: 7,277 Thanked 2,578 Times in 1,365 Posts	One might consider having the strawed parts blued in order to make its configuration something consistent with how it was born. But any Luger is a wonder to behold, and if you're more worried about shooting it than the finer points, then it's already good to go, and should make a dandy shooter that has a touch of collectibility and no shortage of charm. As a bonus, its out-of-kilter flat surfaces can turn the conversation to a cautionary tale about how less is sometimes more when it comes to Luger refinishing. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

11-21-2015, 02:47 AM	#2
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 908 Thanks: 42 Thanked 469 Times in 197 Posts	Typical banner police , only problem with the extractor : must be in black , nice matching mag Seems to be eagle L stamped on right side, I don't see well __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

11-21-2015, 06:16 AM	#3
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	1941 Banner Police and it has been redone, as LU1900 said the extractor should not be strawed(nor should the other small parts). Also, the dome of the rivet on the sear safety should be in the white. It appears to have been blued.

11-21-2015, 07:28 AM	#4
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Looks like the second owner had the piece re-finished, likely when he had the box made for it. A little too much buffing in places.

11-21-2015, 04:10 PM	#7
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	A nice looking Banner luger that has been redone nicely, but not correctly. I would be proud to own it.

11-21-2015, 07:36 PM	#8
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 728 Thanks: 2,092 Thanked 608 Times in 328 Posts	Handsome gun! I'm not any expert, but it just looks like it's been refinished (re-blued). No signs of normal wear that gun that old should have. I also thought the side plate looked odd in one of the photos - it seems to be irregularly shaped on the raised part. If it's not correctly fitted, the side plate may give you trouble firing the gun. The extractor is a very odd color. Some are a plum color, but this one looks wrong to me. The sear safety would not have originally been straw colored, but it does look good.d The only part we can't see is the front of the frame, where the full serial numbers and suffix are found above the trigger guard. Good photos, otherwise. Overall, it's a handsome gun!