1913 Erfurt Magazine Fit

big_e · 03-20-2015, 06:57 PM

I have just bought a 1913 Erfurt Luger which came with a WWII magazine.
I haven't been able to take the pistol to range yet but while cycling the action with snap caps I noticed it would jam ejecting the cartridges.
However when I applied pressure to the bottom of the magazine it would eject them without an issue.
Looking at the magazine fit I can see there is quite a difference in the height between the normal fitting and pushing the magazine full up.

If you can advise on the correct seating for the magazine and if it is to low whats the best solution to fix this.

Normal fitting

Magazine push fully home

G.T. · 03-20-2015, 09:00 PM

Hello big-e and welcome to the forum! !! The main issues with your magazine as can be seen in the pictures, is the crack in the LH rear feed-lip, and the overall lack of form on the feed-lips themselves... The extra drop down space is not unusual, and in and of it's self, usually, not an issue.... You need a new MEC-GAR for shooting! Best to you, til...lat'r....GT

BTW, with a long flat nosed pliers, you can correct much of the feed lip deformation, the crack is the killer! .... I've done a few hundred of them....

rhuff · 03-21-2015, 05:51 PM

You want to listen to what this GT fella says about mags as he is the resident " Luger mag man". He has done a "ton" of Luger mags, along with other Luger repairs, and can get them fixed and functional if anyone can. We feel very lucky to have him here.

G.T. · 03-21-2015, 08:13 PM

Hi Doc, and hi again big_e, Thanks for the kind words doc, I shall try to live up to the kindness shown here! In looking at the pictures I was quick to point out what I saw as mag issues... they still remain, but in reading the text, I see big_e has correlated the ejection malfunctions to the magazine position?? So, we are comparing apples and oranges type of problems right now... First, we need to go to the range with good quality ammo to do our trouble shooting? Second, ditch the snap caps.... they mimic nothing in a troubled Luger function issue... The gun should properly extract & eject with no magazine in the gun... In a gun that doesn't clear the breech area with an empty, I would suspect a week extractor spring, crud under the extractor nose, or a chipped or broken extractor... Then we need to next go to the ejector, is it strong and positive, or weak and loose??? Third is the recoil pulse itself, is the toggle assembly acting with enough force, energy, and distance to make all function as it should.... The mag has problems to be sure, but they, in and of themselves, shouldn't have any effect on extraction and ejection! Best to al, til...lat'r....GT

03-20-2015, 06:57 PM	#1
big_e New User Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1913 Erfurt Magazine Fit I have just bought a 1913 Erfurt Luger which came with a WWII magazine. I haven't been able to take the pistol to range yet but while cycling the action with snap caps I noticed it would jam ejecting the cartridges. However when I applied pressure to the bottom of the magazine it would eject them without an issue. Looking at the magazine fit I can see there is quite a difference in the height between the normal fitting and pushing the magazine full up. If you can advise on the correct seating for the magazine and if it is to low whats the best solution to fix this. Normal fitting Magazine push fully home

03-20-2015, 09:00 PM	#2
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,502 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,639 Times in 1,001 Posts	pretty much toast! Hello big-e and welcome to the forum! !! The main issues with your magazine as can be seen in the pictures, is the crack in the LH rear feed-lip, and the overall lack of form on the feed-lips themselves... The extra drop down space is not unusual, and in and of it's self, usually, not an issue.... You need a new MEC-GAR for shooting! Best to you, til...lat'r....GT BTW, with a long flat nosed pliers, you can correct much of the feed lip deformation, the crack is the killer! .... I've done a few hundred of them....

03-21-2015, 08:13 PM	#4
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,502 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,639 Times in 1,001 Posts	extraction & ejection issues... Hi Doc, and hi again big_e, Thanks for the kind words doc, I shall try to live up to the kindness shown here! In looking at the pictures I was quick to point out what I saw as mag issues... they still remain, but in reading the text, I see big_e has correlated the ejection malfunctions to the magazine position?? So, we are comparing apples and oranges type of problems right now... First, we need to go to the range with good quality ammo to do our trouble shooting? Second, ditch the snap caps.... they mimic nothing in a troubled Luger function issue... The gun should properly extract & eject with no magazine in the gun... In a gun that doesn't clear the breech area with an empty, I would suspect a week extractor spring, crud under the extractor nose, or a chipped or broken extractor... Then we need to next go to the ejector, is it strong and positive, or weak and loose??? Third is the recoil pulse itself, is the toggle assembly acting with enough force, energy, and distance to make all function as it should.... The mag has problems to be sure, but they, in and of themselves, shouldn't have any effect on extraction and ejection! Best to al, til...lat'r....GT Last edited by G.T.; 03-22-2015 at 12:21 PM.

03-21-2015, 05:51 PM	#3
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,288 Thanks: 2,702 Thanked 971 Times in 716 Posts	You want to listen to what this GT fella says about mags as he is the resident " Luger mag man". He has done a "ton" of Luger mags, along with other Luger repairs, and can get them fixed and functional if anyone can. We feel very lucky to have him here.