1906 AE on GA.com

DavidJayUden · 03-12-2015, 08:06 AM

Just saw this one on gunsamerica, and I question the barrel length and caliber. Did they offer a 1906 AE with a 4.75" barrel in 9mm? And what is the circle B stamping on the barrel under the number?
Thanks;
dju

http://www.gunsamerica.com//97558474...pisto.htm?wl=1

spacecoast · 03-12-2015, 08:24 AM

Don't believe so, likely it's .30 cal. They may not have checked the chamber fit.

Lugerdoc · 03-12-2015, 08:53 AM

David, The B in circle on the left side of barrel extention would indicate a Brazilian contract pistol, which should be in 7.65mm and have their own serial number range. TH

sheepherder · 03-12-2015, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

And what is the circle B stamping on the barrel under the number?

I can't view the pics, but according to Sturgess & Gortz, the 'Brazilian contract' circle-B should be on the left forward side of the receiver [barrel extension], not on the barrel.

Red flag?

Ron Wood · 03-12-2015, 09:27 AM

I really doubt that the gun is 9mm. Model 1906 American Eagle Lugers are occasionally found with the circled B marking on the barrel. There was the notion that these were left over spare barrels from the Brazilian contract, but since the Brazilan guns did not have that mark on their barrels it is more likely that a DWM inspector just chose that die for his purposes. Evidently there is some operation in the assembly and inspection of early Lugers that required an additional barrel inspection. In addition to the circle B you will sometimes see a shield shaped mark with a diagonal line across it, just another DWM inspector mark.

DavidJayUden · 03-12-2015, 10:21 AM

I just sent them a message requesting clarification of caliber.
Also, I'm not seeing any Circle B's on the frame extension, only under the serial number on the barrel.
Most signs show original finish, excepting a lack of halo's on the front frame.
I guess I'll go with Ron's explanation of the B marking and assume that it is chambered for 9.
But it's a curious gun, to be sure.
dju

sheepherder · 03-12-2015, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

I guess I'll go with Ron's explanation of the B marking and assume that it is chambered for 9.

Seller states "4 7/8" round barrel"...That's curious for any Luger...125mm???

And why add 'round'??? How many octagonal Luger barrels do you see??? Or square ones???

96% positive???

Ben M. · 03-12-2015, 12:39 PM

in the text part he does say 30 luger caliber

DavidJayUden · 03-12-2015, 01:25 PM

Well now we know that at least 1 of us actually reads the item description...
Thanks Ben.
dju

Douglas Jr. · 03-13-2015, 01:55 PM

The Brazilian Lugers only have the circled-B mark on their barrel extension, on the receiver's left side. Older books (Kanyon and Walter) claim that the barrels were also marked but it is not true. As Ron said, there are a bunch of Commercial Lugers made at the same timeframe (1908-1911) who has the same mark on their barrels. My bet is that those barrels were leftovers from the Brazilian contract that ended installed on Commercial guns.

03-12-2015, 08:06 AM	#1
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	1906 AE on GA.com Just saw this one on gunsamerica, and I question the barrel length and caliber. Did they offer a 1906 AE with a 4.75" barrel in 9mm? And what is the circle B stamping on the barrel under the number? Thanks; dju http://www.gunsamerica.com//97558474...pisto.htm?wl=1

03-12-2015, 08:53 AM	#3
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	David, The B in circle on the left side of barrel extention would indicate a Brazilian contract pistol, which should be in 7.65mm and have their own serial number range. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

03-12-2015, 09:27 AM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	I really doubt that the gun is 9mm. Model 1906 American Eagle Lugers are occasionally found with the circled B marking on the barrel. There was the notion that these were left over spare barrels from the Brazilian contract, but since the Brazilan guns did not have that mark on their barrels it is more likely that a DWM inspector just chose that die for his purposes. Evidently there is some operation in the assembly and inspection of early Lugers that required an additional barrel inspection. In addition to the circle B you will sometimes see a shield shaped mark with a diagonal line across it, just another DWM inspector mark. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-12-2015, 08:24 AM	#2
spacecoast User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL and PA Posts: 332 Thanks: 276 Thanked 243 Times in 109 Posts	Don't believe so, likely it's .30 cal. They may not have checked the chamber fit.

03-12-2015, 10:21 AM	#6
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I just sent them a message requesting clarification of caliber. Also, I'm not seeing any Circle B's on the frame extension, only under the serial number on the barrel. Most signs show original finish, excepting a lack of halo's on the front frame. I guess I'll go with Ron's explanation of the B marking and assume that it is chambered for 9. But it's a curious gun, to be sure. dju

03-12-2015, 12:39 PM	#8
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	in the text part he does say 30 luger caliber

03-12-2015, 01:25 PM	#9
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Well now we know that at least 1 of us actually reads the item description... Thanks Ben. dju

03-13-2015, 01:55 PM	#10
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	The Brazilian Lugers only have the circled-B mark on their barrel extension, on the receiver's left side. Older books (Kanyon and Walter) claim that the barrels were also marked but it is not true. As Ron said, there are a bunch of Commercial Lugers made at the same timeframe (1908-1911) who has the same mark on their barrels. My bet is that those barrels were leftovers from the Brazilian contract that ended installed on Commercial guns.