Who remembers comic book character "Sarge Steel" with his steel fist and Luger?

[Bill_in_fl]

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

I probably had other cap guns, but the two that stand out were the "Fanner 50" and the "Shootin' Shell", both by Mattel. The '50 had a real leather single holster rig which impressed me with its realism at the time. The other had brass cases with plastic bullets that clicked in place to load. As I recall, it was double action, and with each fall of the hammer, a round was actually struck by it. This did two things simultaneously. First, it would ignite the round-cut, self-adhesive, single-dot cap that was stuck to the back of the round. The hammer also pushed the round slightly forward in the cylinder, which would compress the small tabs located on either side of the bullet, which released the projectile from its retention within the case--and the plastic bullet would fly out of the unobstructed barrel. IIRC, it had enough momentum to knock a plastic army man, or cowboy/Indian figure off its feet. Great for wars in the neighbor kid's gravel driveway next door to my grandmother's house, where we would take turns shooting at our respective enemies in dug-in positions, machine gun nests, etc.

ithacaartist you are right on about that. Those cap dots that stuck to the Mattel gun's cartridge rears were called "greenie stickem caps". I didn't have the "Fanner 50" but I did have the "Shooten shell fanner". I have one today. My wife's parents were selling their home and moving to an apartment since they are 86 and 84, and guess what we found helping them move when we cleaned out boxes in their attic? Yep, a Mattel "Shooten shell fanner". No brass spring loaded cartridges and plastic bullets for it though and it doesn't index the cylinder very well anymore and the silver plating on the pot metal is pitted and a bit flaked, but it's all there! It sits atop my bookcase along with my huge working 1960 "Deluxe Reading Tiger Joe" battery powered toy tank that I rebuilt and bought off ebay. Sadly my twin toy Hubley holsters and ".38 Colt" cap revolvers are long gone. But I keep a watch on like ones (.38 colt Hubley top breaks like a Webley) on ebay and plan to get one of them soon to go along with my Mattel "shootin shell fanner". Like you said, I'd knock down little green army men with my shooting shell fanner's plastic bullets. I also had a little Mattel belt buckle gun that was a derringer that held one spring loaded case with plastic bullet, that would spring loaded flip out from the buckle (when you pushed your stomach out) and fire its "greenie stickem cap" and plastic bullet towards the unsuspecting "cowboys and Indians" playmate.

We also didn't have seat belts, only jet pilots and race car drivers used those. We walked around the neighborhood as little kids (as young as 5 years old) and rode our bicycles all over, without any child rapists ever bothering us, climbed trees and fell out of them, played with toy caps and toy guns that shot plastic bullets and later BB guns and never shot our eye out. My allowance from my parents was .25 cents a week and that included me mowing the lawn or doing chores. A couple of years later upped to .50 cents a week and then a whole dollar a week....wow! Lol. I'd use dad's lawnmower to mow neighbor's yards to make money to buy toys and comic books that I couldn't afford on my meager weekly allowance. Taught me the value of a dollar. About the only time my parents bought us toys was either on our birthdays or Christmas. Seldom any other time.....we had to earn it. I also had a Mattel "Buffalo hunter" "rolling block" rifle that was a single shot and also had a lever action Mattel rifle that also was a single shot and both shot those same plastic bullets and greenie stickem caps. A neighborhood playmate had the ultimate "Johnny Seven One Man Army" (O.M.A.) rifle that shot plastic/rubber darts and missles and bullets and even grenades. We had those cheap green little army men that we'd use as targets and sometimes blow up with firecrackers too. All us kids knew how to shoot before we even got a BB gun, much less a real firearm. Mattel taught us how to do that. "If it's Mattel...it's swell!". Lol. Remember that line in their t.v. commercials and packaging? We also made our own slingshots out of wood and inner tube rubber and shot acorns out of them. We made rubber band guns out of wood and used clothes pins to hold the rubber band "bullets". For little kids, we got pretty good at shooting our plastic bullets and sling shots and rubber band guns at little things like toy mini green army men. By the time we were of age to have BB guns, we already knew how to use sights and shoot. Toy guns, to BB guns, to .22's and up. And the anti-gunners know this and that's why they want to dissuade and indoctrinate our kids and grandkids against toy guns......so they won't grow up like we did liking and playing with them, getting familiar with them and get real ones when they grow up. That's why the only toy gun commercials you'll see on t.v. today are those lame foam rubber bullets nerf guns or water squirt guns I see on commercials when I watch Saturday morning t.v. with the grandkids. Our shootin shell fanners were just too realistic and showed us how a real single action '73 peacemaker loaded and worked. Nerf guns don't teach todays kids that.....and that's exactly what the anti-gunners want....only they don't like the nerf guns nor any kind of toy gun....even a pop tart ate into the shape of a gun.

Of course all us kids were devastated when George Reeves (Superman) died. There's still controversy as to whether that was really a suicide or a murder. And it was a LUGER they found by his body on the bed. Elvis was on Ed Sullivan but they wouldn't show him from the waist down when he wiggled his hips Lol. We made "forts" out of refrigerator, washing machine and dryer packing boxes and anything we could find to make one. We used clothes pins to attach bubble gum cards to click on the spokes of our bicycle wheels to make them have that "vrrrroooommm" sound. In the summer time in Florida it was brutally hot and we and most homes didn't have air conditioning and had attic fans instead so we'd play outside and run under the hose sprinkler to cool off. The very first McDonalds in Tampa was across from the old now defunct Tower drive in theater. Burgers were 15 cents and fries were a dime and so were drinks. Speedy McDonald the Hamburger head character was their icon WAY before Ronald McDonald ever existed. For a couple of bucks Dad would get a whole bag of burgers and fries and drinks, and on Friday or Saturday evenings we'd drive across the street from that first McDonalds in Tampa to the Tower Drive In directly across the street, to watch a triple or quad feature. Had a "pee pot" under the seat for us little kids who couldn't make it to the snack bar bathroom quick enough and we'd toss that out the door if we needed to use it. Everyone did that. We'd get the "caracal" incense from the snack bar to burn in the car to keep the mosquitoes away. And the speaker would attach to the driver's window frame for listening to the movie. At intermission, we'd see the commercial ads on the screen for pizza...."And into the oven it goes!"....and we'd all go to the snack bar to get something, my favorite was a "Sno-cone" and use the bathroom and play on the slides and swings and the hand pushed manual merry-go-round. And we wouldn't have missed a game boy or X box if we had one. And yet somehow we survived.



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[Lugerdoc]

In the mid 1940s, my allowance was 10 cents every Saturday, with which I would walk alone (beginning at age 5) to the drug store at the end of the block and buy a comic. The neighbor hood kids would then play poker for comics. I compiled a stack 3 feet high by the time I was 9, which was left behind when we moved to the suburbs in 1949. I wish that I still had them today. TH

[Bill_in_fl]

Originally Posted by Lugerdoc

In the mid 1940s, my allowance was 10 cents every Saturday, with which I would walk alone (beginning at age 5) to the drug store at the end of the block and buy a comic. The neighbor hood kids would then play poker for comics. I compiled a stack 3 feet high by the time I was 9, which was left behind when we moved to the suburbs in 1949. I wish that I still had them today. TH

They would be worth a lot of money today LugerDoc, especially if in really good condition.



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[saab-bob]

Great stuff gents.
I was at a friends house recently and he was showing off SOME of his toy guns.
Can you ID them?
My favorite Twilight Zone episode was with Andy Devine called "Hocus Pocus and Frisby"
Here is a link to the episode.
http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi953984793
Bob

[Bill_in_fl]

Originally Posted by saab-bob

Great stuff gents.
I was at a friends house recently and he was showing off SOME of his toy guns.
Can you ID them?
My favorite Twilight Zone episode was with Andy Devine called "Hocus Pocus and Frisby"
Here is a link to the episode.
http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi953984793
Bob

saab-bob, luv your signature line. "I think therefore I own guns". Perfect.

Well, the big one in the uppermost photo is a real Whitney Wolverine .22 semi auto pistol. A collector's item today and ahead of its time in styling. The little ones next to it, if memory serves me, I think were double action spring loaded and shot those little clay balls that were covered with some sort of thin silver colored plastic coating. They also may have shot little hollow or solid plastic balls. They strongly resembled the Whitney Wolverine pistol but I don't remember what the little toy ones were called though.

In your second photo, the Hi Standard Challenger looking one at the top was the Johnny Eagle big game hunter pistol that came with the big game hunter set and the 1911 one is also a Johnny Eagle one but I can't remember which set it came from. Both of them may have been available individually as well as with sets too, I can't recall. I remember that black Luger as a squirt gun.

I had a very realistic toy Luger (that was double action though) that the toggle actually worked when you double action'ed the trigger and it fired a plastic bullet that went into the front of the barrel over a little metal piece, that was projected out by the force of a toy cap. What was unusual about it was that the toggle actually went up and down as you double action'ed it. I can't remember for sure, but it may have been a 007 or Man From Uncle secret agent toy gun. I've thought about that working toy Luger toggle action for years. Wish I could find it again on e bay.

I don't recognize the silver one that looks kinda like a Luger, a Lahti or Glisenti, but has more of a rear slide area that looks like a P38. That one isn't it, but I had one that looked a little similar that folded up to look like a camera and was a spy/secret agent gun.

How many did I get correct?


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[spacecoast]

Speaking of cap guns, does anyone remember detonating an entire roll of caps at once with a hammer on the sidewalk? We would probably be hauled off to jail on explosives charges if such an evil act was committed today.

Very entertaining and thought-provoking thread...

[Bill_in_fl]

Originally Posted by spacecoast

Speaking of cap guns, does anyone remember detonating an entire roll of caps at once with a hammer on the sidewalk? We would probably be hauled off to jail on explosives charges if such an evil act was committed today.

Very entertaining and thought-provoking thread...

Yes I remember doing that as a boy on our back steps. Usually I couldn't do the whole roll though and would do like a quarter or half a roll because a whole roll never worked for me with it being too much of its own cushion for me to get a good whack with the hammer against it and the concrete. Maybe because I was too young and not strong enough to whack it hard enough. We also would unroll the cap roll and set them on fire, but they wouldn't blow up and would just go "Pheet, pheet, pheet" as the flame got to each cap dot. Yep, you're probably right, if a kid was seen by the wrong neighbors doing that today, they might call the cops on them. Hopefully not, but you never know in this crazy, anti-gun, politically correct society that stifles as much freedom and fun as possible. We were also told as kids that we could get blood poisoning from handling caps. Well I must have built up an immunity with all the ones I played with, cut myself and got spent cap powder in the cuts, blistered myself (lighting caps on fire) and got cap dust into the popped blisters. And just generally got spent cap dust on my hands from shooting them so much. And it didn't get me sick nor hurt me. We didn't realize just how free we were as kids back then and never gave that norm a second thought. You never miss freedom until you lose it.

Yes this has been a fun reminiscing thread.


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[Douglas Jr.]

OK guys, here is "The Twilight Zone" episode about the WWI era British pilot that ended in a US Air Force base in the 60s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuJD0k-LMZY

It is called "The Last Flight"

And oh... those marvellous F100 Super Sabres...

Have fun!

[Bill_in_fl]

Originally Posted by Douglas Jr.

OK guys, here is "The Twilight Zone" episode about the WWI era British pilot that ended in a US Air Force base in the 60s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuJD0k-LMZY

It is called "The Last Flight"

And oh... those marvellous F100 Super Sabres...

Have fun!

That was so cool to watch again. Hadn't seen that in years. Thanks Douglas Jr for sharing that. I liked the Sabres, but especially liked the sleek F105 Starfighters. That was a WW1 Nieuport 28 he was flying. I read an article once about how someone had shortened the wings and added a more powerful (radial? as opposed to original rotary?) engine to some of them back in the 1930's for a movie. I used to know it, but can't remember the man's name who did the modifications. Anyway, I recognize that Nieuport 28 was one of those that had the shortened wings and different engine modification done to it.


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[Anfanger]

Second photo, top pistol is a Johnny Eagle "Magumba", made by Topper in the 60's. I had the matching elephant rifle when I was a kid. Shot plastic bullets, and used caps.

Cool collection!

[saab-bob]

Bill in Florida
Good job on the toy guns.
You get a Gold Star!
You did better then I did!
The silver metal luger is a very cool toy that I had never seen before.Load a roll of caps and shoot all day! Even has semi-toggle action.
The little yellow ball shooting toy Wolverines where sold as Zebra pistols.
My friend and I are both Whitney Wolverine admirers.You gotta love a pistol that comes apart like a Chinese puzzle.
They can be true jam-o-matics with the wrong ammo and incorrect magazine loading technique.
Love the style.

Does anyone remember M-80s? Serious fun for explosive crazed pre-teens.
Many friends where sent to the principals office for mysterious boys restroom incidents.
Still got all my fingers!
Completely not PC nowadays.
I miss those days.
Bob

[sheepherder]

You guys talking about the 'other' storylines in the popular comic books have jarred something loose in my memory...We all remember Green Arrow and Green Lantern but does anyone else remember (from Detective Comics I think) the shape-changing alien known as the "Manhunter From Mars" or the race of super-advanced simians [gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans etc] that lived in super-cities underground and traveled in atomic powered cars through continent wide tunnels??? I don't recall the names of the two series but the storylines appeared occasionally in the 'regular' comic books...

I do remember "The Haunted Tank" series.

On TV, there were a couple good comedies to watch. "The Many Loves Of Dobie Gillis" was great; everybody loved Maynard G. Krebs. "Our Miss Brooks" was another, Art Linkletter had a talk show; "Kukla, Fran, & Ollie"; "Wild Bill Hickock", "The Bob Cummings Show"... My favorite was "Science Fiction Theater"...There was an episode about a widow and her son living way out in the desert, no phone or electricity, and visited by a mysterious stranger with a suitcase, telling wild stories to the kid about trains running in the sky...The widow was woken up in the morning to find the stranger gone and the son playing with his electric train set which was plugged into the strangers suitcase/duplex receptacle...Cool stuff for the 50's...

[Bill_in_fl]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

You guys talking about the 'other' storylines in the popular comic books have jarred something loose in my memory...We all remember Green Arrow and Green Lantern but does anyone else remember (from Detective Comics I think) the shape-changing alien known as the "Manhunter From Mars" or the race of super-advanced simians [gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans etc] that lived in super-cities underground and traveled in atomic powered cars through continent wide tunnels??? I don't recall the names of the two series but the storylines appeared occasionally in the 'regular' comic books...

I remember a D.C. character called the Martian Manhunter, is that who you're talking about? If I recall correctly, he had a bald head, was green all over, and as part of his costume he had two red (I think) straps that went across his chest in an X bandolero style. The Martian Manhunter was a member of the Justice League Of America and friends with Superman, Batman, WonderWoman, Aquaman, Green Lantern, Flash and all the rest of the D.C. hero's. Things got a bit foggy though when the D.C. authors created that parallel earth thing and we got a similar but slightly different set of hero's for the parallel earth called the Justice Society Of America. I remember there was a parallel earth Flash, who wore a WW1 doughboy looking helmet with tiny wings on it (Like Hermes in Greek mythology) or were the tiny wings on his feet? I can't recall clearly, and in the parallel earth Justice Society there was a hot female called Black Canary along with Captain Midnight and lots of other super heroes from that parallel earth. I don't recall the advanced simians who lived underground and drove atomic cars though.

Does anyone remember "Magnus Robot Fighter"? He was a mortal who had incredible strength and fought robots in the future. A typical cover would show him severing a robot's head with a karate chop.

Originally Posted by sheepherder

I do remember "The Haunted Tank" series.

Yep, the ghost of civil war general Jeb Stuart, haunting/protecting the Stuart tank (named after him) and its crew. What's funny is sometimes we'd see the thin wispy figure of the ghostly general on his horse. So I guess his horse was a ghost too! Lol. If I remember correctly, I think the tank commander was a direct descendant of Gen Jeb Stuart and that's one reason his ghost haunted/protected the tank and crew and frequently warned them of danger.

Originally Posted by sheepherder

On TV, there were a couple good comedies to watch. "The Many Loves Of Dobie Gillis" was great; everybody loved Maynard G. Krebs. "Our Miss Brooks" was another, Art Linkletter had a talk show; "Kukla, Fran, & Ollie"; "Wild Bill Hickock", "The Bob Cummings Show"... My favorite was "Science Fiction Theater"...There was an episode about a widow and her son living way out in the desert, no phone or electricity, and visited by a mysterious stranger with a suitcase, telling wild stories to the kid about trains running in the sky...The widow was woken up in the morning to find the stranger gone and the son playing with his electric train set which was plugged into the strangers suitcase/duplex receptacle...Cool stuff for the 50's...

I remember all of those Sheepherder, but don't remember that specific episode about the widow and son in the desert with the stranger and trains. Sounds like a good one though. I also remember the old "One Step Beyond", which was a show about eerie things and circumstances. It was hosted by a Rod Serling (Twilight Zone) type of host. I particularly remember one episode that took place in Germany during the 1930's with a group of teenagers who were flying gliders. One male German teenager was jealous of another male teenager because a girl teenager liked him better. So as the one teenager was about to take off behind the tow plane, unknown to anyone else in the group, he stabbed and killed him and closed the cockpit's top, and the tow plane took off dragging the glider and its dead teenage pilot behind it, the glider was released and never seen again. Fast forward to years later after the end of WW2, and the now much older former teenagers met at the old glider field again for a post war reunion. What happens? Of course the by now ragged old glider from years ago appears and makes a perfect landing on the field. The teenagers open the cockpit and find the skeleton of their dead former teenage comrade with the bad guys knife still stuck in his ribs. They identified the knife and then knew who killed him and then why the glider had never returned with him. Fade to eerie music and host who asks: "how did the glider get there? Was it stuck in a tree for many years and a gust of wind blew it out at just the right time to blow it to a perfect landing at their old field? Who knows what strange things happen in the realm of One Step Beyond". The manner that the host spoke in was perfectly creepy for the series. Never forgot that episode.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Bill_in_fl

I remember a D.C. character called the Martian Manhunter, is that who you're talking about?

Yeah, that's him! I got it wrong because I only remember the first story! -

The Martian Manhunter (J'onn J'onzz) is a superhero who appears in comic books published by DC Comics. Created by writer Joseph Samachson and artist Joe Certa, the character first appeared in Detective Comics #225 "The Manhunter From Mars" in November 1955.

Does anyone remember "Magnus Robot Fighter"?

Don't remember that one - but you reminded me of a group of four survivors of an atomic war called "The Atomic Knights". They wore medieval-like armor to protect them from the radiation. Probably DC Comics - I don't really remember any others except the Disney characters line.

According to Wikipedia, the super-simians appeared in the Flash comics -

Gorilla City is a fictional city in the DC Comics Universe. The city, hidden in the jungles of Africa, is home to a race of super-intelligent gorillas, that gained their powers from a meteorite...Gorilla City first appears in The Flash vol. 1 #106, (April 1959)...After an alien spacecraft crashes into the jungles of Africa, local gorillas become hyper-intelligent and acquire telepathic abilities. These gorillas form Gorilla City. The city led by Solovar quickly creates technology far surpassing that of humanity and cloaks itself from human society.

I saw a Hubley that looked like my old one except for the serrated hammer, so I must have had the 'fanner' version. The T-lock top break was familiar, but the one on eBay had enfraving/filigree/whatever it's called, and I don't recall that. It did have the cream & black grips. It was cool! I was disappointed that i didn't get the Mattel Fanner 50, but I grew to like the Hubley better.

[Bill_in_fl]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Yeah, that's him! I got it wrong because I only remember the first story! -

The Martian Manhunter (J'onn J'onzz) is a superhero who appears in comic books published by DC Comics. Created by writer Joseph Samachson and artist Joe Certa, the character first appeared in Detective Comics #225 "The Manhunter From Mars" in November 1955.

That's right, his given name was J'onn J'onzz. I had forgotten that name. Thanks for reminding me.

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Don't remember that one - but you reminded me of a group of four survivors of an atomic war called "The Atomic Knights". They wore medieval-like armor to protect them from the radiation. Probably DC Comics - I don't really remember any others except the Disney characters line.

I don't remember the armor wearing one you are talking about.

Originally Posted by sheepherder

According to Wikipedia, the super-simians appeared in the Flash comics -Gorilla City is a fictional city in the DC Comics Universe. The city, hidden in the jungles of Africa, is home to a race of super-intelligent gorillas, that gained their powers from a meteorite...Gorilla City first appears in The Flash vol. 1 #106, (April 1959)...After an alien spacecraft crashes into the jungles of Africa, local gorillas become hyper-intelligent and acquire telepathic abilities. These gorillas form Gorilla City. The city led by Solovar quickly creates technology far surpassing that of humanity and cloaks itself from human society.

I don't remember that one either. But the fact that the Simians cloaked themselves from being discovered by humans, showed how smart they were. Humans would have just taken them over, stole their technology, their city and their land, and studied and dissected them in labs, and eventually wiped them all out except for a few examples they would have kept in zoos or on special ape reservations. Almost like our government did to the American Indians. Heck, sometimes I wish I could go to a secret island and cloak myself and my family from being discovered by the rest of humanity. Kind of like the Swiss Family Robinson, or Robinson Crusoe. But before I did that, my granddaughters would have to grow up and one marry a dentist and one marry a doctor....who took all their tools with them to our secret, cloaked island. The oldest is only 14 and the other is 6. So it will be awhile ROFL!

Originally Posted by sheepherder

I saw a Hubley that looked like my old one except for the serrated hammer, so I must have had the 'fanner' version. The T-lock top break was familiar, but the one on eBay had enfraving/filigree/whatever it's called, and I don't recall that. It did have the cream & black grips. It was cool! I was disappointed that i didn't get the Mattel Fanner 50, but I grew to like the Hubley better.

Sheephearder I can help you with the Hubley's since I've been searching online (for the two gun rig exactly like I had) for years. Once I found a kinda ragged out and torn version just like my twin holsters, (belt and twin holsters only, no cap guns) but it was in too bad of shape for me to want it. And once I found the EXACT twin holsters twin Hubley's with blue grips identical to mine and in almost mint condition, but I quit bidding at $360.00! Can you believe the today prices for these antique toy guns from the '50's and '60's? Unbelievable.

Anyway, the largest toy gun site online is Nichols. They show all kinds of cap pistols of every type. Go to their link I'm providing and if you had a cap pistol in the 1930's to 1960's, you can bet there will be an example or two of it there. They have 12 pages just on Hubleys!

But before I get to the Nichols site, here's a pic below of the Hubley Colt .38 (the one with the smooth and wide "fanner" hammer), and some of the Hubley Texan .38 (the one with the less wide and serrated hammer). There were various styles of grips on both, and you can buy replacement reproduction grips for them on ebay (to match which grips you had as a kid). Which isn't a bad idea since sometimes the original plastic grips have shrunk with age and warp.

Below is the Hubley Colt .38 with the wide, smooth, "fanner" hammer, with fake stag grips that you can always change out to another style like the longhorn steer head grips like you and I had Sheepherder.


Next below, is the Hubley Texan .38 which except for saying "Texan .38" on it, and having a more narrow and serrated hammer, is otherwise identical to the Hubley Colt .38. Although you now believe yours was a "fanner" hammer like mine was Sheepherder, this one looks like the longhorn steer head grips you described.....cream and black. Some Hubley Colt .38 and some Texan .38's had the star on the grip painted red and some didn't. My set from 1959 didn't.



Next below, is several pics that except for the grips having ribbons of black mixed in with the blue, is exactly like mine were (no black ribbons in my blue grips). I'm showing you a couple of pics of it to also allow you to see the "fanner" hammer and how wide it is and smooth....as opposed to the more narrow serrated hammer of the Hubley Texan .38.


Below, nice pic of the underside of the "fanner" hammer showing how wide it is. The star on the grip (actually on the grip frame, grip had a cutout hole that fit over the star) is not painted red. Mine were plain just like that.


Another nice closeup of the Hubley Colt .38 "fanner" hammer.


And real quick....not a Hubley, but a Mattel belt buckel derringer I had (pic isn't the one I had) that spring loaded swung out and fired a "greenie stickem cap" and plastic bullet when you pushed your stomach out against the buckle. The derringer could also be removed from the buckle and fired by hand. Had that for years, even into my adult life. Not sure what happened to it. Probably lost in a move or something.




Okay, now for the jewel of all cap gun sites, and where you will see antique cap guns in better condition than most....Nichols at this link.....http://www.nicholscapguns.com/index.html

And Nichols has a full twelve pages just on Hubley cap guns! They have many, many pages on other model cap guns too. Everything practically is there. You'll enjoy going back in time and seeing your childhood cap guns and learn a lot too. I always wanted that Hubley "Rifleman" rifle. Never got it. But Nichols shows it, and rare versions of it too with a white stock and standard models of it too.

Here a set identical to the Hubley Colt .38 double holster/gun set I got for Christmas in 1959 on page 7 (of 12 Hubley pages) at the Nichols site. Same blue "jewels" on the belt and holsters, same exact holster and belt and same exact Colt .38 guns with the wide, smooth, "fanner" hammers and one color blue grips with unpainted star. I sooo want this set and have been trying to get one like this for years. Like I said, I almost got an identical to this one set, but stopped bidding at $360.00 I want one, but not enough to pay more than $360.00, I can be happy just getting one gun and forget the holster rig and other gun. I just want it to go along with my Mattel shootin shell fanner for display. I went a little crazy even bidding that high to $360.00 and I STILL didn't win it! Antique toy cap guns can be profitable!


Closer up view of set identical to mine. This and the above pic is identical to the set you saw me wearing in my pics from March 1960 that I posted earlier on page one in this thread.


Sheepherder, all the Hubley Colt .38's as well as the Hubley .38 Texans, all had that engraving on them. Never seen one that didn't. And if memory serves me, they were also both double action only and although you could fan them, they were incapable of single action fire. But so is my Mattel shooting shell fanner. My Mattel shootin shell fanner can be fanned or double action'ed, but is also incapable of single action fire. The little short metal cartridges for the Hubley's are available on ebay too. If memory serves me, I think I used "greenie stickem caps" on the back of the cartridges and they worked, even though they weren't made for the Hubley and were made for the Mattel cap guns. Also, the "ejector rod" under the barrel is fixed, doesn't work, and is just for looks. But if I recall correctly, the cap gun ejected the cases just like a Webley did when you unhooked the latch and lowered the barrel. At least I think it ejected like that. Heck, it's been 55 years since I had one in my hand, so some memories are dim. No doubt when I finally get one, I'll be surprised at how small it feels, just like I was surprised at how small the Mattel shootin shell fanner felt to me when I found it in a box in my wife's parent's attic. Felt much larger when I was a kid. The cap gun didn't change.....I did. Lol. Here's some pics of that Mattel Shootin shell fanner we found in my wife's parents attic.

My finger tip can barely fit in front of the trigger today.


The loading and loading gate, was just like a real '73 Colt peacemaker. Very realistic for a cap gun in that era.


Left side with the spring loaded cartridge. I got lucky, it had all six cartridges in it. No plastic bullets though and flaking is pretty bad and cylinder timing and indexing isn't good. But it was free and just like the one I had as a kid.


Right side.


Closer view of end of spring loaded cartridge where the plastic bullet would go.


Another view of the loading gate. See that hole in the right grip? You put your plastic bullet in there nose down, and then shoved the cartridge on top of it to load the cartridge.


Another view of very realistic loading gate.


Showing how small the Mattel shootin shell fanner is in relation to my hand. Fit much better in my hand when I was 7 to 8 yrs old. Lol. I had my Hubley's first and earlier, a year or two before I got my Mattel shootin shell fanner.
Okay, off the Mattel shootin shell fanner and back to the Hubley's.


Sheepherder, if you could live with the serrated hammer Hubley .38 Texan, there's one included in with a batch of two others on page two of the classifieds at Nichols. It has the cream with black longhorn steer head grips like yours had. But it doesn't work correctly ad says, so you'd have to live with that or get it fixed. Seller wants $89.00 for all three at this link.....
http://www.nicholscapguns.com/classifieds2.htm

Myself, I'm waiting for the "Fanner" hammer one like I had. To me, that's the whole idea, to get one EXACTLY like what I had 55 years ago. Otherwise, no sense in getting it in my opinion. But included that link for you just in case you were interested.

There's also one currently on ebay for $40.00 so far, but it doesn't work either and is missing its cylinder. There are guys who specialize in fixing cap guns and some replacement parts are available, even newly made replacement parts for them.

I regularly watch for them on ebay. But I'd like to get one with the longhorn steer head blue grips like mine had. If I see one with the cream and black longhorn steer heads, I'll shoot you a P.M. with the link Sheepherder. But even a single gun, without holster, will run about $60.00, and that's with flaking and indexing issues, considerably more if in really fine shape condition, and even more if still sealed in the plastic or unfired in the box. Recapturing fragments of our childhood isn't cheap! Lol.



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[Diver6106]

In those days, you could run around with toy guns and play games all day long. Now someone calls the police and you stand a good chance of being shot. Back then, cops would rather take a bullet than shoot a kid. Now they find excuses and take that all inclusive rational justification "I felt my life was in danger." Remember the kid in the field in California with an AK-looking toy, or the 'glock tart' or the kid who used a pencil in school as a gun... suspended. So kids still play guns... in ultra violent video games, indoors and private but protected, with out all the exercise of running around. It feeds their imagination in harmful ways and a few... Well I'll take the '50's and my toy guns back in Midland Texas.

[Bill_in_fl]

Originally Posted by Diver6106

In those days, you could run around with toy guns and play games all day long. Now someone calls the police and you stand a good chance of being shot. Back then, cops would rather take a bullet than shoot a kid. Now they find excuses and take that all inclusive rational justification "I felt my life was in danger." Remember the kid in the field in California with an AK-looking toy, or the 'glock tart' or the kid who used a pencil in school as a gun... suspended. So kids still play guns... in ultra violent video games, indoors and private but protected, with out all the exercise of running around. It feeds their imagination in harmful ways and a few... Well I'll take the '50's and my toy guns back in Midland Texas.

Yep, I agree. That's how it was,....and now how it is. That shows us how well all this insane communist liberalism has worked out for us compared to how it was in the sane days of grandfatherly president "Ike". We need a return to that kind of society. Bye the way Diver6106, luv your avatar of the old Mad Magazine's "Spy vs Spy". I used to read those.


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Bill
I have all the "Magnus Robot Fighter" series.They where Gold Key comics.
Great artwork on the early ones.The later ones went downhill.
Does anyone remember "Doc Savage"? Originally published in pulp magazines in the 1930's and 1940's? He and his men carried fully automatic pistols with the rams horn magazines!
They traveled in gyro-copters and Zeppelin's and lived in the Empire State building.
Good Stuff!
Bob

[Bill_in_fl]

Originally Posted by saab-bob

Bill
I have all the "Magnus Robot Fighter" series.They where Gold Key comics.
Great artwork on the early ones.The later ones went downhill.
Does anyone remember "Doc Savage"? Originally published in pulp magazines in the 1930's and 1940's? He and his men carried fully automatic pistols with the rams horn magazines!
They traveled in gyro-copters and Zeppelin's and lived in the Empire State building.
Good Stuff!
Bob

You have all of the Magnus Robot Fighter series Bob? That's awesome! Not too many people even know who he was, much less have his entire comic series. That's amazing!
I'll bet they are worth something today. Especially if in great condition in those plastic sleeves.

Oh yes Bob, of course I remember Doc Savage ("The Man Of Bronze"). They even made some movies and t.v. episodes about him. One of the guys who played Tarzan in the late '60's early '70's (Ron Ely? or something like that?) played Doc Savage. I remember seeing in the movies or t.v. shows or maybe it was in the comics, of Doc Savage using Mauser Broomhandle pistols (so did the Rocketeer, that he appropriated from a German, in the latest Rocketeer movie made around 20 years ago....the one with Timothy Dalton (007) in it as the bad guy loosely based on actor Errol Flynn.

Speaking of the Rocketeer, do y'all remember the big brutish ugly guy in the movie who was fighting with the Rocketeer on top of the zeppelin? Well the interesting thing is, that, that actor was wearing a mask that was made to look exactly like the face of 1930's/'40's actor Rondo Hatten. So Rondo Hatten lived again, although it was just a mask of his face on another actor. Rondo Hatten was the actor who played the monster in a few 1930's/'40's monster movies ("The Creeper") and he played mobster style thugs too. Poor man died as a result of his gland problem right after WW2.

Anyway, the funny thing is, my grandfather knew him personally and was friends with him when he was a handsome man before his glands distorted his head and face. Grandad, my dad and I, were all born in Tampa, Fl. and Rondo Hatten and his family lived in Tampa. Granddad (who lived to be 98 yrs old) told me that Hatten was a very handsome man who had a gland problem that suddenly manifested itself in adulthood and horribly disfigured his face and head. The movie studio later said it was being gassed in WW1 that did it, (Hatten was gassed) but that was incorrect, it was his gland problem that did it not the mustard gas. Interesting story that. Here's a wikipedia link that tells of him with a few pics.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rondo_Hatton

Granddad met quite a few famous people being born in Tampa in 1898 and living til 1996. He met Buffalo Bill Cody who came through Tampa doing a wild west show (a few years before Cody died in 1917) and granddad got to shake his hand. I've always been amazed by that, my granddad shook Buffalo Bill's hand! He also knew Tony Jannus the pilot who flew the first scheduled airline passenger flight in history from Tampa to St Petersburg Fl. And he met Wiley Post and the very famous comedian and rope trick artist Will Rogers, when they flew around America in Post's Lockheed Vega and stopped in Tampa for awhile, before the famous plane crash that killed them both.

Another actor who was gassed in WW1, caused him to lose all his teeth (nasty thing WW1 gas), and he became an actor after the war and although was relatively young, usually played much older men without his false teeth in. His name was Walter Brennen. "Grandpa" in the old 1950's/'60's t.v. series "The Real McCoy's". Even in the 1930's when Brennen was still pretty young he played the elderly preacher in "Sgt York" starring Gary Cooper. Another interesting thing is Gary Cooper (Sgt York)'s young sister in that movie, was June Lockhart, who grew up to play the mom in the 1960's t.v. series of "Lassie" and also as the mom in "Lost in Space". June Lockhart had a daughter that looks almost exactly like her. But I digress on a tangent Lol.

Anyway, yes I remember Doc Savage traveling by autogyro, but I had forgotten that he lived in the Empire state building. That character is ripe for a well done modern movie to be made about.
Another one I really liked was actor Jude Law in "Sky Captain and the World Of Tomorrow" with Gwenneth Paltrow, made back in 2004. Always wished they would make a sequel to that, they never did. And I'm still waiting for the sequel to that MarK Walberg "Planet Of The Apes" where he comes back to his own time and lands at the Lincoln memorial, and it's his right time alright, but Lincoln's statue is an ape. That was screaming for a sequel, but they never made one that continued where that particular one left off. And they never gave us an ending to the 1960's "Time Tunnel" t.v. series either. Just like they never gave us an ending to the t.v. series "The Lost World" and just left us hanging in suspense with a swirling vortex in the last episode that was done about almost 20 years ago. There's a website/club for that t.v. show online that I'm a member of. Just google "The Lost World forum". Some of the actors (older now) actually have posted there as do several of the writers for the show. They simply ran out of financing for the last season at the last minute. Hence the cliffhanger that never was resolved. And there I go, digressing and rambling on again. Lol.



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