Auction In FEBRUARY

[Edward Tinker]

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World War II German Luger Pistol by Krieghoff

Serial# 11507, 9mm Parabellum. 4" barrel, very good bore. "1943" chamber date. Matching numbers including on aluminum base of the magazine, with inspection "LWaA/2". 95% bright factory blue with minute pitting on the sideplate, 75% straw, very good checkered black Bakelite grips with a small repair on the left one under the screw. These were made for the German Luftwaffe and in his book Randall Gibson estimates only 300 were made with the "1943" date. {Ref., The Krieghoff Parabellum by Randall Gibson.}

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

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Thanks to Robert for the link! I was not around when this auction went down - I would like to know, did the chamber date spell out the entire year ["1943"] or just "43" like the late Mauser Lugers???

[Edward Tinker]

no idea - I can remember last week, but 2005 ???

[alanint]

First Krieghoff I've ever heard of with black bakelite grips.

[George Anderson]

Later Krieghoffs had black grips.

[Lugerdoc]

See Gibson's "The Kreighoff Parabellum" pages 42-51 for an excellent photo comparison of all manufacture's grips. TH

[guns3545]

Originally Posted by alanint

First Krieghoff I've ever heard of with black bakelite grips.

Doug,

HK used Walnut, and both fine checkered and coarse checkered Brown plastic grips for the first contract of 10,000 guns which ended in 1938.

For the second contract, starting in 1940, with the exception of some military to commercial conversions, they used Black coarse checkered plastic grips.

There were a little over 2000 military guns produced from 1940 to 1944, compared to the 10,000 produced primarily in 1936 and 1937, with a few in 1938. So relatively fewer with Black grips.

There were a few GI and PX guns produced in 1945 which used Black plastic grips.

Also, interspersed with the military production, primarily in 1939, HK produced a number of commercial variations and presentation guns. These mainly used Brown coarse checkered grips but other types and styles are seen, especially on the presentation pieces, some very elaborate.

While the above is not an exhaustive analysis, I hope it gives you a better idea of what went on at HK during their production years.

Happy New Year,

John

[Ben M.]

* or just "43" like the late Mauser Lugers??? *


please tell me more infomaticions. i was not aware of such 43s

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Ben M.

* or just "43" like the late Mauser Lugers??? *


please tell me more infomaticions. i was not aware of such 43s

...???...Not sure what you're referring to...But here's a pic below...

1942 production Mauser with two-digit chamber date, rather than 4-digit (like 1937)...

[Ben M.]

i was puzzled when you mentioned 1943s or 43s.

did mauser make any with this dates?

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by Ben M.

i was puzzled when you mentioned 1943s or 43s.

did mauser make any with this dates?

I also didn't know of any "43" marked Mauser made P08s.

Does such thing exist?

[drbuster]

Never seen one!

[MFC]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Thanks to Robert for the link! I was not around when this auction went down - I would like to know, did the chamber date spell out the entire year ["1943"] or just "43" like the late Mauser Lugers???

Sheepherder (Richard) didn't state Mauser Lugers were dated 1943 or 43. He wanted to know if Krieghoff dated the same way as late Mausers with 2 digit dates.

[guns3545]

Originally Posted by MFC

Sheepherger (Doug) didn't state Mauser Lugers were dated 1943 or 43. He wanted to know if Krieghoff dated the same way as late Mausers with 2 digit dates.

The short answer is Yes; HK used a two digit date. In mid-1936, for a short time, HK used 36 as the year designator between their use of S and their use of 1936.

BUT...1937, 1938, 1940, 1941, 1942, 1943 and 1944 and some 1945 production all used four digit dates.

HK and Mauser followed different marking protocols on the P.08. FYI, in addition to date differences, HK used their corporate logo on their P.08s rather than the manufacturer's code they were assigned and which they used on their machine guns.

John