Interesting posts by Eric

[Sergio Natali]

Originally Posted by cirelaw

WW2 Colts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBFj-BU9IPU

Eric

Thanks, really nice, I still wonder why the Germans did not exploit the Kongsberg plants that were already making the 1911 in Norway.


http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...olt-nazi-1911/

Sergio

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Eric

Thanks, really nice, I still wonder why the Germans did not exploit the Kongsberg plants that were already making the 1911 in Norway.


http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...olt-nazi-1911/

Sergio

But they did.

"During the German occupation of Norway (1940–1945), manufacture of the pistol, given the designation Pistole 657(n),[2] was continued under German control. The Waffenamt acceptance mark (WaA84) was added in 1945 and only those 920 pistols produced that year were ever Waffenamt-marked. It's not likely that any of these Waffenamt-marked pistols ever saw any action during World War II as the first one, serial# 29615, was delivered March 29, 1945 and the last one, serial# 30534, was delivered on 5 May 1945 just before liberation of Norway. In total, approximately 8200 pistols were made during German occupation (serials 22312-30534). All of them were delivered to AOK Norwegen (Army) except 700 that were delivered to Maza Norwegen (Navy).

Occupation production:

1940 = approx. 50 pistols
1941 = approx. 4099 pistols
1942 = 3154 pistols
1945 = 920 pistols "*

* From wikipedia

[cirelaw]

General Eisenhower's D-Day speech to his troops~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8PruBXQ3Bs

[cirelaw]

Famous movie stars that served in our armed forces! http://news.moviefone.com/2011/04/12...d-in-military/

[Sergio Natali]

Originally Posted by kurusu

But they did.

"During the German occupation of Norway (1940–1945), manufacture of the pistol, given the designation Pistole 657(n),[2] was continued under German control. The Waffenamt acceptance mark (WaA84) was added in 1945 and only those 920 pistols produced that year were ever Waffenamt-marked. It's not likely that any of these Waffenamt-marked pistols ever saw any action during World War II as the first one, serial# 29615, was delivered March 29, 1945 and the last one, serial# 30534, was delivered on 5 May 1945 just before liberation of Norway. In total, approximately 8200 pistols were made during German occupation (serials 22312-30534). All of them were delivered to AOK Norwegen (Army) except 700 that were delivered to Maza Norwegen (Navy).

Occupation production:

1940 = approx. 50 pistols
1941 = approx. 4099 pistols
1942 = 3154 pistols
1945 = 920 pistols "*

* From wikipedia

Yes I know that but as you can see were only very small figures, I mean they already had in their hands a terrific project widely tested during the WWI (1911) so I wonder why they didn't implement those factories and massively produce 1911s instead of developing the P.38


Sergio



P.S.

... probably everybody has already guessed that I've always been a 1911 "fanatic"...

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Yes I know that but as you can see were only very small figures, I mean they already had in their hands a terrific project widely tested during the WWI (1911) so I wonder why they didn't implement those factories and massively produce 1911s instead of developing the P.38


Sergio

The p38 was already developed in 1940 and had already been officially accepted. They apparently were happy with the 9mm caliber and they would create a logistic nightmare having two different pistol cartridges in use, remember that the P08 remained in service up to the end of the war.

Another thought, the 9mm probably would be more effective in Russian winter than the .45acp because of better penetration with heavy clothing.

[cirelaw]

S42 Luger with History~ http://www.ai4fr.com/main/page_milit..._luger_42.html

[cirelaw]

A Nice S42 with history~ http://www.ai4fr.com/main/page_milit..._luger_42.html

[Sergio Natali]

Originally Posted by kurusu

The p38 was already developed in 1940 and had already been officially accepted. They apparently were happy with the 9mm caliber and they would create a logistic nightmare having two pistol different pistol cartridges in use, remember that the P08 remained in service up to the end of the war.

Another thought, the 9mm probably would be more effective in Russian winter than the .45acp because of better penetration with heavy clothing.

Mario

I agree but 1940 was the year Norway was occupied by the Germans.
I didn't really consider the second point concerning a better penetration, and I'm not sure if they ever took it into consideration either , surely the "logistic nightmare" could have been an extra problem for the Wehrmacht.

Sergio

[cirelaw]

My First German Firearm~Does anyone own a zero series~

[cirelaw]

A Great History~ http://www.guns.com/2014/01/17/walth...ombat-handgun/

[cirelaw]

Another view~ http://www.forgottenweapons.com/othe...stole-walther/

[Sergio Natali]

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Another view~ http://www.forgottenweapons.com/othe...stole-walther/

QUOTE
In the first half of the year 1944 the German troops lost 110,092 handguns and this number rose to 282,701 handguns in the second half of the year. Such high losses could not even be compensated by all three manufacturers together.
UNQUOTE

Never knew that somehow the Wehrmacht "lost" almos 400 K pistols in a year, I assume mainly on the Eastern Front.

Sergio

[cirelaw]

An interesting discussion on the Polish Radom~~http://smith-wessonforum.com/firearm...g-history.html

[cirelaw]

Mauser Pocket Gold Mine! http://www.guns.com/2014/03/05/p-pol...istols-videos/

[cirelaw]

Walther PPK Political~ http://reference.brocksguns.com/walt...-arm-of-honor/

[Sergio Natali]

Originally Posted by cirelaw

My First German Firearm~Does anyone own a zero series~

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Walther PPK Political~ http://reference.brocksguns.com/walt...-arm-of-honor/

Eric

Do you know that I've always been on the verge of buying one, but unfortunately I don't know much about these "small" (to me that I'm a 1911 nut) guns. I'd like to have at least one in my small collection, but I wouldn't want a second choice sort of thing, and more to this PPK here are not that common either.
For instance among these three Zella Mehlis guns I assume the best to get would be the last, perhaps, but I' m a bit wavering about it.

Sergio

Sergio

[cirelaw]

German Police From Weimer To Nazi~~ http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article....uleId=10005465 Check out the related police articles at the end of this article~

[cirelaw]

The 5 Strangest Photos Of WW2~~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofI7D2Faivw

[cirelaw]

The Thompson Goes To War ~~~ http://www.americanrifleman.org/arti...n-goes-to-war/