Vickers Luger

TheRomanhistorian · 09-20-2014, 06:07 PM

Hello all,

So, here's the Vickers Luger I picked up from Checkpoint Charlie's. I cleaned off some light rust under the grips (which are numbered to the gun). The gun is numbered as 4524 and the only thing without the matching numbers is the unnumbered barrel (6" barrel).

The brass plate has M.L. M. I. 173 etched onto it.

There looks to be a smallish hole in the front of the grip and yet that had no serious rust on the inside or outside. Very odd and not sure what could have caused it.

I've been trying to track down an affordable copy of the Dutch Lugers book but no dice right now, alas. I'll see if I can get a copy through Interlibrary Loan. The magazine is wooden bottomed, with a repaired bit (left side). 1309 b, I think.

Angus Magnus · 09-28-2014, 02:32 AM

I for one am interested to hear if there were longer barreled Vickers luger made. If it were an original, it wouldnt have the arsenal repair date on the barrel but it should have proofs right?

Is your mag numbered?

TheRomanhistorian · 09-28-2014, 02:40 AM

It is, but it's WWI German, I think. Numbered 1309 b. The only mismatched parts are the barrel and the magazine. There are no proofs on the barrel either so it could be some sort of post-Dutch rebarrel?

Angus Magnus · 09-28-2014, 12:53 PM

I'm certainly no expert, but it sounds like someone rebarreled stateside long after leaving Indonesia. The vickers Lugers are generally rough, so a great find all in all.

How much did you pay for it, if you don't mind my asking?
I try to follow up on the vickers as much as possible. The last one on GB was $2750, Simpson has had one for a while at $4000, and there was one on Julia I've been meaning to find out about:
http://jamesdjulia.com/item/3109-358/

TheRomanhistorian · 09-28-2014, 07:03 PM

Not a problem at all. I paid $1495 for it and I don't feel like I am out any money. I saw the one on Simpson's site ($4,000 is a bit too rich for me)

I have to admit that the 6" barrel has really grown on me and I plan to take her to the range next Sunday. It's in decent condition aside from the damage on the front grip strap.

Angus Magnus · 09-28-2014, 09:32 PM

thats a bargain for a Vickers!

I have one and would like to get another example with the brass plate but haven't seen another in a price range that I can afford.

Angus Magnus · 09-28-2014, 09:33 PM

oh and I just signed up for the Julia site to see the final sale price of that pristine one....

$11,500 !!!

TheRomanhistorian · 09-28-2014, 10:34 PM

Wow, bloody hell. It was beautiful but I hadn't realised they got that much. I think I'm going to be glad about the one I have!

hondoroll · 09-29-2014, 12:28 AM

thats pretty cool!

Ron Wood · 09-29-2014, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angus Magnus

oh and I just signed up for the Julia site to see the final sale price of that pristine one....

$11,500 !!!

That one is a little out of the ordinary. Supposedly it was one of a small group of low serial numbered Vickers produced for a special, but unknown, reason. If it was in the approx. 5XXX serial number range in that condition I doubt that it would have brought more than $7500-8000...but who knows, it is a very nice example so perhaps the value could be due to the condition.

Angus Magnus · 09-29-2014, 07:49 AM

The one on the Julia site has no markings on the magazine baseplate. Is that normal?

My Vickers has the original magazine but the base was crudely fashioned out of a piece of metal.

Ron Wood · 09-29-2014, 11:21 AM

Dutch magazines are not serial numbered.

09-20-2014, 06:07 PM	#1
TheRomanhistorian User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 170 Thanked 88 Times in 64 Posts	Vickers Luger Hello all, So, here's the Vickers Luger I picked up from Checkpoint Charlie's. I cleaned off some light rust under the grips (which are numbered to the gun). The gun is numbered as 4524 and the only thing without the matching numbers is the unnumbered barrel (6" barrel). The brass plate has M.L. M. I. 173 etched onto it. There looks to be a smallish hole in the front of the grip and yet that had no serious rust on the inside or outside. Very odd and not sure what could have caused it. I've been trying to track down an affordable copy of the Dutch Lugers book but no dice right now, alas. I'll see if I can get a copy through Interlibrary Loan. The magazine is wooden bottomed, with a repaired bit (left side). 1309 b, I think. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Michael Nos morituri te salutant - Supposed saying of the gladiators to the emperor ('We, who are about to die, salute you.') 'We are the lantern bearers, my friend; for us to keep something burning, to carry what light we can forward into the darkness and the wind' - From Rosemary Sutcliff's The Lantern Bearers

09-28-2014, 02:40 AM	#3
TheRomanhistorian User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 170 Thanked 88 Times in 64 Posts	It is, but it's WWI German, I think. Numbered 1309 b. The only mismatched parts are the barrel and the magazine. There are no proofs on the barrel either so it could be some sort of post-Dutch rebarrel? __________________ Michael Nos morituri te salutant - Supposed saying of the gladiators to the emperor ('We, who are about to die, salute you.') 'We are the lantern bearers, my friend; for us to keep something burning, to carry what light we can forward into the darkness and the wind' - From Rosemary Sutcliff's The Lantern Bearers

09-28-2014, 07:03 PM	#5
TheRomanhistorian User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 170 Thanked 88 Times in 64 Posts	Not a problem at all. I paid $1495 for it and I don't feel like I am out any money. I saw the one on Simpson's site ($4,000 is a bit too rich for me) I have to admit that the 6" barrel has really grown on me and I plan to take her to the range next Sunday. It's in decent condition aside from the damage on the front grip strap. __________________ Michael Nos morituri te salutant - Supposed saying of the gladiators to the emperor ('We, who are about to die, salute you.') 'We are the lantern bearers, my friend; for us to keep something burning, to carry what light we can forward into the darkness and the wind' - From Rosemary Sutcliff's The Lantern Bearers

09-28-2014, 10:34 PM	#8
TheRomanhistorian User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 170 Thanked 88 Times in 64 Posts	Wow, bloody hell. It was beautiful but I hadn't realised they got that much. I think I'm going to be glad about the one I have! __________________ Michael Nos morituri te salutant - Supposed saying of the gladiators to the emperor ('We, who are about to die, salute you.') 'We are the lantern bearers, my friend; for us to keep something burning, to carry what light we can forward into the darkness and the wind' - From Rosemary Sutcliff's The Lantern Bearers

09-29-2014, 11:21 AM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Dutch magazines are not serial numbered. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-28-2014, 02:32 AM	#2
Angus Magnus User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Miami Posts: 133 Thanks: 8 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts	I for one am interested to hear if there were longer barreled Vickers luger made. If it were an original, it wouldnt have the arsenal repair date on the barrel but it should have proofs right? Is your mag numbered?

09-28-2014, 12:53 PM	#4
Angus Magnus User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Miami Posts: 133 Thanks: 8 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts	I'm certainly no expert, but it sounds like someone rebarreled stateside long after leaving Indonesia. The vickers Lugers are generally rough, so a great find all in all. How much did you pay for it, if you don't mind my asking? I try to follow up on the vickers as much as possible. The last one on GB was $2750, Simpson has had one for a while at $4000, and there was one on Julia I've been meaning to find out about: http://jamesdjulia.com/item/3109-358/

09-28-2014, 09:32 PM	#6
Angus Magnus User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Miami Posts: 133 Thanks: 8 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts	thats a bargain for a Vickers! I have one and would like to get another example with the brass plate but haven't seen another in a price range that I can afford.

09-28-2014, 09:33 PM	#7
Angus Magnus User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Miami Posts: 133 Thanks: 8 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts	oh and I just signed up for the Julia site to see the final sale price of that pristine one.... $11,500 !!!

09-29-2014, 12:28 AM	#9
hondoroll User Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: san diego Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thats pretty cool!

09-29-2014, 07:49 AM	#11
Angus Magnus User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Miami Posts: 133 Thanks: 8 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts	The one on the Julia site has no markings on the magazine baseplate. Is that normal? My Vickers has the original magazine but the base was crudely fashioned out of a piece of metal.