Serial Number vs side plate inside number

siegersallee · 07-27-2014, 11:23 AM

Well,

I have a side plate that has "07" stamped on the outside and which matches the serial number of the pistol. The pistol is all matching.

However, when I took it apart, the inside of the side plate had "96" stamped on it.

What does this mean? Should I be concerned as to the pistol's being "all matching"?

Richard

George Anderson · 07-27-2014, 11:29 AM

All depends on complete serial number and manufacturer as well as location of the internal marking.

Ron Wood · 07-27-2014, 12:14 PM

Is it a Mauser and does the serial number of the gun start with "95"?

Oops, same question George is asking...only stated differently

mrerick · 07-27-2014, 01:25 PM

Most of the Mauser side plates were numbered as Ron described. If your gun serial is 9507x then the inside plate number would be "96" and the outside "07".

For a brief time, in the 1930s, the inside number matched the first two digits of the serial number.

Not sure if any other manufacturers did this.

Marc

guns3545 · 07-27-2014, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick

Most of the Mauser side plates were numbered as Ron described. If your gun serial is 9507x then the inside plate number would be "96" and the outside "07".

For a brief time, in the 1930s, the inside number matched the first two digits of the serial number.

Not sure if any other manufacturers did this.

Marc

Marc,

Krieghoff for a portion of their production put the first two numbers of the serial number inside some parts, including the side plate. And again for a portion of their production put the last two digits on the serial number on the outside of the side plate.

All these variations occurred over a 10 year period and the grand total of about 13,000 guns were produced. A little over a month's production at Mauser. Different scale of production entirely.

John

siegersallee · 07-27-2014, 03:38 PM

It is a 1916 DWM. The serial number is 9607.

The inside bottom of the side plate is marked "96".
While the outside ( in the standard location ) is marked "07".

So, I have never seen this before. Is this just a DWM thing?

George Anderson · 07-27-2014, 03:56 PM

Richard, WWI era DWM military P08s and LP08s had the first digit or digits stamped in very small numerals along the interior lower edge of the side plate. This is something that most collectors never notice.

siegersallee · 07-27-2014, 06:18 PM

George, vielen Dank mein Herr!

George Anderson · 07-27-2014, 07:23 PM

Richard, bitte schoen.

Dave Sanders · 07-27-2014, 07:56 PM

George, can you show an example of the small digits? Mine are all larger digits unless I am thinking bigger than you are when you say small.
Dave

George Anderson · 07-27-2014, 09:01 PM

Dave, my computer was fried by an electrical "surge" a week or so ago. I have a new one but have yet to install photo software. Thus, I can't post photos yet. Maybe Siegersallee or someone else can help.

CJS57 · 07-28-2014, 08:02 AM

Thank you George! Happy to learn something new about the small inside the sideplate digits! Checked a couple of guns and they have them.
But a question, one gun a 1915 all matching with serial 9385 only has the single digit 3 inside? Not the whole 93 inside? Just an oversight I presume.

siegersallee · 07-28-2014, 12:54 PM

Guys, I will post pictures of what I have (the 1916 side plate, with the number inside), as soon as I get home tonight.

siegersallee · 07-28-2014, 06:03 PM

Ok here are the pictures. Front side of the side plate, inside of the side plate, and I just thought I'd share the pistol as well:
A 1916 DWM.

Dave Sanders · 07-28-2014, 06:49 PM

Ok, that is what mine are. I had the idea there were some very small numbers of the SN stamped, so I was looking for smaller numbers. Thanks for posting.
Dave

cirelaw · 07-28-2014, 07:32 PM

Dead On! My question is what year did Erfurt and DWM side plates have a partial serial number on their face? None of my early commercials seem to have one. Were they limited to military contracts? Did the 1908 military version have a marked side panel because my commercial 1908 and all of my other commercials don't! Is it as easy as saying commercial No! military Yes! The only exception are the navys all unmarked~Are all side plates interchangeable? Absent proofs and dating are all lugers essentially the same? Eric

07-27-2014, 11:23 AM	#1
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 107 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	Serial Number vs side plate inside number Well, I have a side plate that has "07" stamped on the outside and which matches the serial number of the pistol. The pistol is all matching. However, when I took it apart, the inside of the side plate had "96" stamped on it. What does this mean? Should I be concerned as to the pistol's being "all matching"? Richard __________________ "Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland" -seeking: Erfrut Mag 1229 (no script)

07-27-2014, 12:14 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,016 Thanks: 1,089 Thanked 5,159 Times in 1,698 Posts	Is it a Mauser and does the serial number of the gun start with "95"? Oops, same question George is asking...only stated differently __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-27-2014, 01:25 PM	#4
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,907 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,108 Times in 1,509 Posts	Most of the Mauser side plates were numbered as Ron described. If your gun serial is 9507x then the inside plate number would be "96" and the outside "07". For a brief time, in the 1930s, the inside number matched the first two digits of the serial number. Not sure if any other manufacturers did this. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

07-27-2014, 03:38 PM	#6
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 107 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	It is a 1916 DWM. The serial number is 9607. The inside bottom of the side plate is marked "96". While the outside ( in the standard location ) is marked "07". So, I have never seen this before. Is this just a DWM thing? __________________ "Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland" -seeking: Erfrut Mag 1229 (no script)

07-27-2014, 06:18 PM	#8
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 107 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	George, vielen Dank mein Herr! __________________ "Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland" -seeking: Erfrut Mag 1229 (no script)

07-27-2014, 11:29 AM	#2
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	All depends on complete serial number and manufacturer as well as location of the internal marking.

07-27-2014, 03:56 PM	#7
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Richard, WWI era DWM military P08s and LP08s had the first digit or digits stamped in very small numerals along the interior lower edge of the side plate. This is something that most collectors never notice.

07-27-2014, 07:23 PM	#9
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Richard, bitte schoen. Last edited by George Anderson; 07-28-2014 at 10:58 AM.

07-27-2014, 07:56 PM	#10
Dave Sanders User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hamer, Idaho Posts: 283 Thanks: 26 Thanked 43 Times in 22 Posts	George, can you show an example of the small digits? Mine are all larger digits unless I am thinking bigger than you are when you say small. Dave

07-27-2014, 09:01 PM	#11
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Dave, my computer was fried by an electrical "surge" a week or so ago. I have a new one but have yet to install photo software. Thus, I can't post photos yet. Maybe Siegersallee or someone else can help.

07-28-2014, 08:02 AM	#12
CJS57 User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 224 Thanks: 0 Thanked 81 Times in 41 Posts	Thank you George! Happy to learn something new about the small inside the sideplate digits! Checked a couple of guns and they have them. But a question, one gun a 1915 all matching with serial 9385 only has the single digit 3 inside? Not the whole 93 inside? Just an oversight I presume.

07-28-2014, 12:54 PM	#13
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 107 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	Guys, I will post pictures of what I have (the 1916 side plate, with the number inside), as soon as I get home tonight. __________________ "Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland" -seeking: Erfrut Mag 1229 (no script)

07-28-2014, 06:03 PM	#14
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 107 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	Ok here are the pictures. Front side of the side plate, inside of the side plate, and I just thought I'd share the pistol as well: A 1916 DWM. Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland" -seeking: Erfrut Mag 1229 (no script)

07-28-2014, 06:49 PM	#15
Dave Sanders User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hamer, Idaho Posts: 283 Thanks: 26 Thanked 43 Times in 22 Posts	Ok, that is what mine are. I had the idea there were some very small numbers of the SN stamped, so I was looking for smaller numbers. Thanks for posting. Dave

07-28-2014, 07:32 PM	#16
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Dead On! My question is what year did Erfurt and DWM side plates have a partial serial number on their face? None of my early commercials seem to have one. Were they limited to military contracts? Did the 1908 military version have a marked side panel because my commercial 1908 and all of my other commercials don't! Is it as easy as saying commercial No! military Yes! The only exception are the navys all unmarked~Are all side plates interchangeable? Absent proofs and dating are all lugers essentially the same? Eric