"Lugers At Random" Disappointment

[lugerholsterrepair]

Rich, I literally have a 4 foot square pile of boxed up gun magazines from the 40's-50's..a little of everything but mostly NRA mags. I have threatened to haul them to the dump as no one wants them..I just can't bring myself to do it.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Rich, I literally have a 4 foot square pile of boxed up gun magazines from the 40's-50's..a little of everything but mostly NRA mags. I have threatened to haul them to the dump as no one wants them..I just can't bring myself to do it.

Understood. I currently have two feet of Vintage Motorsport magazine ["the journal of motor racing history"] back issues. I sold another two feet to a Canadian collector about five years ago. I've also donated several feet to the Buffalo VA Hospital, but after 9/11 they stopped taking donations.

I don't want to dump them, but it's a small niche that appreciates them.

[sheepherder]

If Ron's comment on Kenyon's articles [January 1996 through August 2006] is correct (and I have no reason to doubt it) that's 128 issues. They're going on eBay and GB for $5 - $10 each, with a few twofer's here & there...At that rate, if I get 2 or 3 a month, it'll take me a couple years to get all 128 issues...
Cover price was $5 per issue...

I'm only interested in Kenyon's articles, and I'm scanning them for my personal enjoyment...

[Ron Wood]

Rich,
I am considering your offer to scan the articles and consolidate them. I am thinking that it does not make a lot of sense to ship entire magazines a few at a time to have them processed. I think it would be better to go back to my original idea of removing the articles from the magazines and then bundling up those pages to send to you (I would want them returned as I still intend to bind them together in a hard bound format ). I know an intact issue may have some slight value, but not significant enough to try to maintain the entire 1996-2006 set.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

I am thinking that it does not make a lot of sense to ship entire magazines a few at a time to have them processed. I think it would be better to go back to my original idea of removing the articles from the magazines and then bundling up those pages to send...

Cut/extract the entire page??? Not cut it up??? That sounds do-able.

I don't suppose it matters who you send them to, to be scanned.

I am presently scanning the articles full-page at 1700 x 2338 pixels per page in uncompressed BMP format. That keeps the picture quality intact.

[Edward Tinker]

Ron Rich is welcome to it - I had volunteered to scan them - if you want to send him all the cut out stuff, you can.

But my offer is still open, I would then save it into PDF files

[Ron Wood]

Ed,
I didn't mean to exclude you. I have a lot on my plate right now so I don't always keep track of what has been posted. I apologize for my oversight and your ability to scan the articles in a .pdf format would be an easy and compact format for others to use and most welcome.

Rich has offered that "I would be willing to scan your Lugers At Random articles, crop out anything not Kenyon, and compile them sequentially. I don't have PDF capability (that doesn't leave a watermark) but I do have the capability of PSP 10.2 scaling. I'm retired now and don't intend to work a day in my life again, so time is no object.”

The best of both worlds would be Rich’s edited scans eliminating extraneous material and compiling them sequentially to considerably compact the final product and then converting his .bmp images to a .pdf format.

If the finished product (regardless of format) is to be offered to the collecting community, then what are the copyright considerations?

[sheepherder]

I'm not a big fan of PDF files; I can scan them as BMP's and then burn them to a DVD & send them on to Ed. Ed can then reduce, convert, or edit them

Presently I'm saving the entire page (ads & all) just because it's easier. But cropping the partial pages isn't that big a thing. I think they will all fit on one DVD.

We could even pass the paper pages around and see which scans look best.

As for copyright rights...I know nothing!!! This conversation never took place! And this thread won't be here!!!

[lugerholsterrepair]

I ain't no bunkhouse lawyer but does copyright apply when you do not intend to sell the articles?

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

I ain't no bunkhouse lawyer but does copyright apply when you do not intend to sell the articles?

And since the last article was over 8 years ago, does copyright even apply???

Then there's who owns the copyright...IIRC, the writer signs away his rights to the magazine, and as long as the material isn't sold it can be freely distributed...

We could always hire Eric to defend us...

OK, this really strains my memory...But IIRC as long as you attribute the author and the publication, you are good...IOW, leave the page ID and author's name intact...

Pic below not indicative of actual scan...Just to acknowledge ownership of intellectual property...

Edit: I also don't see any note in the masthead that prohibits excerpts for promotion...Some pubs do; Gun Report has no such disclaimer...

[Ron Wood]

I am sure I don't know the legal issues, but in the meantime this isn't going to happen tomorrow. I won't be able to start hacking away at the magazines until mid-August, so figure nothing is going to be posted/released before September-October at the earliest. Plenty of time for members who are lawyers to chip in if they want to (I am not inclined to pay lawyer fees ).

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

I am sure I don't know the legal issues, but in the meantime this isn't going to happen tomorrow. I won't be able to start hacking away at the magazines until mid-August...

Disappointing, as it is a statistical certainty that some of us won't last that long...

...But I hope you are exaggerating about 'hacking'... For magazines I want to save but copy as well, I take the three staples out and extract the pages...I don't expect you to go that far (unless you're as anal as I am), but a surgical cut with a razor blade would be good if you don't care about the rest of the mag...

[sheepherder]

Well, I have 21 pages from 7 issues scanned, and another 5 issues coming from eBay...

But there are some real sharks out there...One guy on eBay wants $7 an issue, and on GB a seller wants $9.95 each...

[Ron Wood]

I have removed pages for archival purposes before. Trust me, I am also very anal. I do not care about saving the rest of the magazine. I have preserved them for a very long time and now it is time to let them go. I am not interested in trying to market them unless someone wants to pay me a very exorbitant amount to acquire the lot.

[Edward Tinker]

cutting them out would be a lot more time consuming and a pain in the butt to copy (full page, compared to odd pages, PLUS then you are likely not to have page numbers)

whoever starts the scanning, best to finish it... I have walked into the middle of a project like this and instead of scanning them sequentially, I had to READ each part to make them flow.

PDF is easy to read an article, as you can go, page by page and if they are BMP, what a pain...

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

PDF is easy to read an article, as you can go, page by page and if they are BMP, what a pain...

I'll leave it to you then.

[Ron Wood]

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

cutting them out would be a lot more time consuming and a pain in the butt to copy (full page, compared to odd pages, PLUS then you are likely not to have page numbers).

Ed,
If I cut them out, they would be full page, retain their page numbers, and be kept in the same sequence as published. I think it should be a lot easier to scan individual pages rather than trying scan them if they were still attached to the magazine. I may consider sending removed pages in a single shipment, but I have no interest in trying to ship 128 issues of Gun Report.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Ed,
If I cut them out, they would be full page, retain their page numbers, and be kept in the same sequence as published. I think it should be a lot easier to scan individual pages rather than trying scan them if they were still attached to the magazine. I may consider sending removed pages in a single shipment, but I have no interest in trying to ship 128 issues of Gun Report.

Assume 4 pages per issue, that's 512 pages...But not all issues were articles; two of mine are Q&A, only two pages...

Be a stack about the thickness of a hard cover book...

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Ed,
If I cut them out, they would be full page, retain their page numbers, and be kept in the same sequence as published. I think it should be a lot easier to scan individual pages rather than trying scan them if they were still attached to the magazine. I may consider sending removed pages in a single shipment, but I have no interest in trying to ship 128 issues of Gun Report.

sounds good with removed pages



Rich we can work whatever out for you too (individual pics and PDF)

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

sounds good with removed pages



Rich we can work whatever out for you too (individual pics and PDF)

However you want to do it. I figure 512 pages, if one minute per scan...About 8 1/2 straight hours...Not counting cropping, pit stops, food, dog outside...

Whatever you guys decide is fine with me.