Advice on 1st Luger

[SailorBill]

Bob,

I've not posted enough to have that board "privilege." I'll send an Email.

[Sieger]

SailorBill,

There is a beautiful Interarms Swiss, six incher, in 9mm, on Simpsons' website for $1295.00

Grab it!


Sieger

[SailorBill]

Originally Posted by Sieger

There is a beautiful Interarms Swiss, six incher, in 9mm, on Simpsons' website for $1295.00 Grab it! Sieger

Yes it is! I was considering it, but got distracted by the .08 v. Swiss frame thing, that I did really not understand. Price is right!

[Lugerdoc]

Bill, I doubt that you find any shops still open in "The City", but you should find some lugers in the shops in San Bruno or San Mateo. TH

[Sieger]

Hi,

On gunbroker.com, as new, Interarms, in the box with all accessories, P-08 Frame, 7.65mm, six incher, for sale at no reserve!!! Buy now price is $1,600.00, current bid is $455.00

Auction # 414551634.

Don't delay!!!


Sieger

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Sieger

On gunbroker.com, as new, Interarms, in the box with all accessories, P-08 Frame, 9mm, six incher, for sale at no reserve!!! Buy now price is $1,600.00...

Best of the Interarms Lugers!

6" barrel, grip nub, boxed, 9mm...

Only question I can think of is, BIN or gamble???

[ithacaartist]

Bill, the Swiss modified the grip frame design for pistols manufactured in Bern in a successful attempt to reduce production time and costs. (Even after tightening up procedures, the Parabellum was still expensive and time-consuming to make!)

The difference is aesthetic and makes no difference to the performance of the gun. I think the Swiss-design is a little ugly and departs from the iconic look of the German mfd. ones. I didn't mean to over-sensitize you to the issue, which is only in the eye of the beholder.

Originally Posted by Sieger

Hi,

On gunbroker.com, as new, Interarms, in the box with all accessories, P-08 Frame, 9mm, six incher, for sale at no reserve!!! Buy now price is $1,600.00, current bid is $455.00 Auction # 414551634. Don't delay!!! Sieger

I think even the BIN is within reason, for this one. I notice, however, that the caliber on the box says "30". The barrel style is classic .30 Luger. You'll have the same thing as me, '06 configured AE, 6" in 7.65. I had to create mine by changing barrels, but it is my favorite shooter now. If you reload, or can put up with sporadic availability/price of ammo, I don't think you'll be disappointed with something like this.

[SailorBill]

Thanks for the tip! The one on Gunbroker is similar to one on Simpson for $1795

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=31787

And the Simpson one makes the one on Gunbroker appear to be a relative bargain even at the "buy now" price.

OK - With either one I would be shooting Luger .30, which was pointed out as being expensive ammunition. The one on Gunbroker, however, really looks good . . . Darn it. At least I have a couple more days to think about it. (Actually, it will be next Monday. It's Mother's Day weekend and we leave tomorrow morning to visit our daughter in Mt Shasta. BTW - They get black bears in their backyard!)

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by SailorBill

OK - With either one I would be shooting Luger .30, which was pointed out as being expensive ammunition.

30 Luger/7.65 Parabellum is only 'expensive' if you buy Winchester. Fiocchi 30 Luger is the same as 9mm, dollar-wise. Midway has it periodically. IF the ammunition prohibition ever ends, they show it at $22.69/50...It's in stock now, but that will likely change before the end of the day...

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?sortby...ensionid=10075

[cirelaw]

Readily available~Eric

[SailorBill]

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Readily available~Eric

How about .30 Luger?

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by SailorBill

How about .30 Luger?

Hi,

If it were me, I'd by a 9mm, as you can get ammo and reloading components readily (in normal times, that is).

Sieger

[SailorBill]

Thanks sheepherder, I ordered 4 boxes . . .

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by SailorBill

Thanks sheepherder, I ordered 4 boxes . . .

Ummmm??? It's exactly something I would do (and have done), but why are you buying ammunition before you buy a Luger???

Originally Posted by SailorBill

Is there a thread on preferred ammunition manufacturers for Lugers? And one on reloading?

30 Luger (also called 7.65 Parabellum) ammunition manufacturers are somewhat scarce these days. Fiocchi seems to be the most common, Winchester the most expensive. Anything labeled 'Target' is desirable; +P or NATO is too powerful (as a rough guide). Reloading is quite popular; RCBS makes an inexpensive 'kit' for newcomers to the art. FWIW, there's a thread on this Forum on making 30 Luger brass out of .223 Remington [rifle] cartridge cases, which may be useful. As for basic reloading 'tutorials', I don't know of any offhand (I reloaded before there was an Internet) but I'm sure there must be...There's dozens for everything else...

[SailorBill]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Ummmm??? It's exactly something I would do (and have done), but why are you buying ammunition before you buy a Luger??? :

Well, Getting the cart before the horse, is one of my more common faults. However, in five days, an auction ends for a .30 Luger listed on Gun Broker and I'm hoping to be the winning bidder.

My son reloads, so I'll be making him a present of any needed Luger .30 dies, or whatever. Thanks for the information.

[rhuff]

Originally Posted by SailorBill

Well, Getting the cart before the horse, is one of my more common faults. However, in five days, an auction ends for a .30 Luger listed on Gun Broker and I'm hoping to be the winning bidder.

My son reloads, so I'll be making him a present of any needed Luger .30 dies, or whatever. Thanks for the information.

Good luck with the auction......hope you get your first Luger. BEWARE, they can and are, addicting!!

[Freischütz]

The Interarms version is a nice pistol, but I find that gun's version of the grip safety makes the gun feel much wider and bulky in my hand. I prefer the older models without the grip safety.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by Freischütz

The Interarms version is a nice pistol, but I find that gun's version of the grip safety makes the gun feel much wider and bulky in my hand. I prefer the older models without the grip safety.

Hi,

I agree but for another reason. If you look at the Interarms' grips they are square at the edges and not tapered down to fit the human hand like the originals were.

Also, for me, the grip safety spring in the Interarms models is too strong, making you feel like you have to grip the pistol too strongly to get it to shoot.

Both of these obvious "redesign" flaws are easily cured, though.


Sieger

[Freischütz]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Hi,

I agree but for another reason. If you look at the Interarms' grips they are square at the edges and not tapered down to fit the human hand like the originals were.

Also, for me, the grip safety spring in the Interarms models is too strong, making you feel like you have to grip the pistol too strongly to get it to shoot.

Both of these obvious "redesign" flaws are easily cured, though.


Sieger

I always thought the new grip safety that attached to both sides of the frame was the problem. How is that cured?

[ithacaartist]

Originally Posted by Freischütz

I always thought the new grip safety that attached to both sides of the frame was the problem. How is that cured?

The grip safety on the 70s pivots and works the same way as the originals, though the attaching point is set up a little differently. I think Sieger is saying the spring is too strong compared to originals. Since an original grip safety spring is different enough from an original that they can't be interchanged, then the 70s spring must be diminished in strength somehow. so, I'm curious about just how this may be accomplished easily.

I agree wholeheartedly about the grips. On the Swiss style models, the checkering is coarser than original, 18 lpi v. 20 lpi. I found that this, combined with the squarish cross section, made mine feel like I was holding onto a rough-cut 2 X 4. When I shot it for a couple of mags, I noticed that the checkering had been embossed into the web of my hand! One will also apparently encounter grips of two thicknesses. I don't think people complain about the thinner version. The thicker ones are more uncomfortable, BUT they can be addressed by removing the checkered pattern entirely, rounding the contours approaching the edges, then re-applying new, 20 lpi checkering. This turns a lion into a mouse.