Whats this refinish really worth?

stressed · 02-10-2014, 08:18 PM

whats the real value on this gun?

it's refinished so it would be a shooter.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/41-...n_id=100381261

DavidJayUden · 02-10-2014, 08:26 PM

To many on this forum it would be a shooter, but to lots of enthusiasts it is a very desirable piece. I have several restored guns and they hold nearly the same esteem as the originals. I'd like to see a price tag closer to $1500, but to answer your question it is worth exactly what someone, anyone with money, is willing to pay.
Misterluger does have a good website where you could probably see more cool stuff.
dju

Sieger · 02-10-2014, 08:49 PM

Hi,

For a refinished byf 41, with a non mint bore, I'd pay $600 to $800 at max.

Sieger

stressed · 02-10-2014, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieger

Hi,

For a refinished byf 41, with a non mint bore, I'd pay $600 to $800 at max.

Sieger

Sieger,

Where can I find one at that price?

Thanks

DavidJayUden · 02-10-2014, 10:17 PM

I'd like a piece of that action, too...
dju

Sieger · 02-10-2014, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stressed

Sieger,

Where can I find one at that price?

Thanks

Hi,

Actually, I would pass on this piece altogether.

I'd rather have an originally finished piece with a mint bore. With that, you will have something that is sure to appreciate.

In 1993, I bought a byf 41 Black Widow, all matched, in near mint condition, for $385.00, from FGS, Inc. It is now worth well over $2,000.

If money is an object, simply save until you have enough to buy a quality piece.

Just my 2 cents.

Sieger

stressed · 02-10-2014, 11:29 PM

I already have a collector piece, now I would like a shooter black widow to accompany it. That way I have an all black, and a strawed w wood grips.

Sieger · 02-11-2014, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stressed

I already have a collector piece, now I would like a shooter black widow to accompany it. That way I have an all black, and a strawed w wood grips.

Hi,

If you really want a shooter to shoot, you might just consider one of the 1970s Interarms Mauser Parabellums, as they are more shooter friendly to modern ammo and are still quite a bargan in mint condition.

Sieger

stressed · 02-15-2014, 03:18 AM

Well, he raised the price $850 out of the blue to $2750 for the same gun he didn't sell for $1950.

I don't get it.

lfid · 02-15-2014, 03:31 AM

seems overpriced ...
maybe to the first time buyer with famished black widow syndrome enthusiast - probably holster 250 , tool 90, mag 1 150 , mag 2 and gun 1300 all in $
bore not exc/mint very limiting factor

actually the battle worn byf black widows seem to sell on auctions at about 1000

much better buy is the mauser luger currently in the WTS here on forum

happy hunting
Bill

Geo99 · 02-19-2014, 02:05 PM

Misterluger is a funny guy. He wouldn't even talk to me when I tried to ask him what might be wrong with a pistol he was selling too cheap (I thought it might be reblued).

stressed · 02-19-2014, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lfid

actually the battle worn byf black widows seem to sell on auctions at about 1000
happy hunting
Bill

Bill, I have never seen this. Care to mention where?

lfid · 02-19-2014, 09:01 PM

last one battle weary I saw was one that sold at about $1000 was on gunbroker, was to a first time luger buyer - I had no association with the auction

it was like 50% finish worn grips rough bore and seemed to be a case of really been there - but was mostly matched numbers

on gunbroker or auction arms you should find examples of actual sales using the completed selection in the advanced search

also you can look for sold tags on the Simpson or Legacy websites

happy hunting !
Bill

MikeP · 02-23-2014, 08:25 AM

Mismatch at 50%, poor bore for a $1000 was a good deal for the seller.

Before they called them Black Widows, they were the least desirable of all Lugers.
I remember the old guys at shows laughing about them.
Unit marked WW 1 pieces were scorned as well.
Late 50s early 60s period.

02-10-2014, 08:18 PM	#1
stressed User Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 197 Thanks: 41 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	Whats this refinish really worth? whats the real value on this gun? it's refinished so it would be a shooter. http://www.gunsinternational.com/41-...n_id=100381261

02-19-2014, 02:05 PM	#11
Geo99 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Whidbey Island WA Posts: 398 Thanks: 102 Thanked 125 Times in 74 Posts	Misterluger is a funny guy. He wouldn't even talk to me when I tried to ask him what might be wrong with a pistol he was selling too cheap (I thought it might be reblued). __________________ "Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie, until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers

02-10-2014, 08:26 PM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	To many on this forum it would be a shooter, but to lots of enthusiasts it is a very desirable piece. I have several restored guns and they hold nearly the same esteem as the originals. I'd like to see a price tag closer to $1500, but to answer your question it is worth exactly what someone, anyone with money, is willing to pay. Misterluger does have a good website where you could probably see more cool stuff. dju

02-10-2014, 08:49 PM	#3
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 2,124 Thanked 400 Times in 249 Posts	Hi, For a refinished byf 41, with a non mint bore, I'd pay $600 to $800 at max. Sieger

02-10-2014, 10:17 PM	#5
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I'd like a piece of that action, too... dju

02-10-2014, 11:29 PM	#7
stressed User Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 197 Thanks: 41 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	I already have a collector piece, now I would like a shooter black widow to accompany it. That way I have an all black, and a strawed w wood grips.

02-15-2014, 03:18 AM	#9
stressed User Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 197 Thanks: 41 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	Well, he raised the price $850 out of the blue to $2750 for the same gun he didn't sell for $1950. I don't get it.

02-15-2014, 03:31 AM	#10
lfid Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wichita, KS USA Posts: 453 Thanks: 573 Thanked 96 Times in 53 Posts	seems overpriced ... maybe to the first time buyer with famished black widow syndrome enthusiast - probably holster 250 , tool 90, mag 1 150 , mag 2 and gun 1300 all in $ bore not exc/mint very limiting factor actually the battle worn byf black widows seem to sell on auctions at about 1000 much better buy is the mauser luger currently in the WTS here on forum happy hunting Bill

02-19-2014, 09:01 PM	#13
lfid Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wichita, KS USA Posts: 453 Thanks: 573 Thanked 96 Times in 53 Posts	last one battle weary I saw was one that sold at about $1000 was on gunbroker, was to a first time luger buyer - I had no association with the auction it was like 50% finish worn grips rough bore and seemed to be a case of really been there - but was mostly matched numbers on gunbroker or auction arms you should find examples of actual sales using the completed selection in the advanced search also you can look for sold tags on the Simpson or Legacy websites happy hunting ! Bill

02-23-2014, 08:25 AM	#14
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	Mismatch at 50%, poor bore for a $1000 was a good deal for the seller. Before they called them Black Widows, they were the least desirable of all Lugers. I remember the old guys at shows laughing about them. Unit marked WW 1 pieces were scorned as well. Late 50s early 60s period.