Revised Interpretation of S.D.V. and S.D.VI. markings

Don M · 11-14-2013, 09:15 PM

Darn that Jerry Burney!

He has acquired a Police Bayonet, scabbard and frog that have caused me to revise my earlier tentative interpretation that the Schupo command at Oberhausen in the Düsseldorf administrative district was represented by the marking S.D.VI. Photos of this rig are presented below with Jerry's permission.

The bayonet and scabbard are both marked S.D.V.336. The frog is dated 1929 and stamped Pol. Präs. Oberhausen. It is certainly possible that the frog was combined with a bayonet and scabbard from a different command at some time after their original issue, particularly when the bayonet and scabbard were cut down to standard length. However, I think it is more likely that they remained with the original command.

As noted in www.historywritinsteel.com, S.D.I. through IV. are rather confidently identified as the commands located at Essen, Wuppertal, Düsseldorf and Duisburg, respectively. I had previously concluded tentatively that the Oberhausen command was S.D.VI. based on the fact that the Oberhausen command was the only remaining large unit and the data presented in Tables 7-6, -7 and -8 of HWIS suggested that S.D.VI. was significantly larger than either S.D.V. or S.D.VII. While this is still true, I believe Jerry's rig provides stronger evidence than the inventory numbers of small and not necessarily representative samples of these markings.

Accorginly, I have revised item #1 on the New Insights page of my web site www.historywritinsteel.com.

Schupo · 11-15-2013, 09:46 AM

Thanks Don!

Don M · 11-15-2013, 01:49 PM

I have revised my initial posting to note that the reworking of this bayonet and scabbard in the 1930s would be an opportunity for mismatching with the frog. However, I stand by my current (tentative) interpretation.

lugerholsterrepair · 11-15-2013, 06:11 PM

Don, Good work! These Police Bayonets/Daggers are such beautiful quality pieces I am a sucker for them. Of the 3 I have this is the most complete and best condition so far. A real beauty.

klaus 3338 · 12-29-2013, 03:19 PM

Nice find and a good help to get some historical answers!
Thank you both for the informations!

11-15-2013, 09:46 AM	#2
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Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	I have revised my initial posting to note that the reworking of this bayonet and scabbard in the 1930s would be an opportunity for mismatching with the frog. However, I stand by my current (tentative) interpretation. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

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11-14-2013, 09:15 PM	#1
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Revised Interpretation of S.D.V. and S.D.VI. markings Darn that Jerry Burney! He has acquired a Police Bayonet, scabbard and frog that have caused me to revise my earlier tentative interpretation that the Schupo command at Oberhausen in the Düsseldorf administrative district was represented by the marking S.D.VI. Photos of this rig are presented below with Jerry's permission. The bayonet and scabbard are both marked S.D.V.336. The frog is dated 1929 and stamped Pol. Präs. Oberhausen. It is certainly possible that the frog was combined with a bayonet and scabbard from a different command at some time after their original issue, particularly when the bayonet and scabbard were cut down to standard length. However, I think it is more likely that they remained with the original command. As noted in www.historywritinsteel.com, S.D.I. through IV. are rather confidently identified as the commands located at Essen, Wuppertal, Düsseldorf and Duisburg, respectively. I had previously concluded tentatively that the Oberhausen command was S.D.VI. based on the fact that the Oberhausen command was the only remaining large unit and the data presented in Tables 7-6, -7 and -8 of HWIS suggested that S.D.VI. was significantly larger than either S.D.V. or S.D.VII. While this is still true, I believe Jerry's rig provides stronger evidence than the inventory numbers of small and not necessarily representative samples of these markings. Accorginly, I have revised item #1 on the New Insights page of my web site www.historywritinsteel.com. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com Last edited by Don M; 11-15-2013 at 01:46 PM. Reason: To reflect possible mismatching opportunity

12-29-2013, 03:19 PM	#5
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 411 Times in 160 Posts	Nice find and a good help to get some historical answers! Thank you both for the informations!