K date question

Thor · 04-10-2002, 09:11 PM

Since I dont to look at many of these, I wondered if any of you fellas or gals have one would you comment on my curiosity? Early K dates are said to have Script S all over the gun on most parts. The one shown in Jan Still's "Third Reich Lugers" from the top view shows a Gothic or smooth font S on the top of the front sight blade but a Script S on all the other parts. Do K dates typically have either types of Ss on the top of the front sight, gothic and script? Thor

04-10-2002, 11:01 PM

Thor there are four variation K dates I have a # 2 & a # 4 a 4 is very plain # 2 is most desireable look on page 17 stills for variations Charlie

bill m · 04-10-2002, 11:45 PM

Without your serial number it is hard to say whether you have a transition gun or a true first issue. The early ones have all scriptic S's on ALL parts -- even the firing pin.

Thor · 04-11-2002, 12:25 AM

Mine is an early one Bill, thanks! Thor

04-11-2002, 01:01 AM

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe gothic refers to san serif (the LATE S on K dates) smooth curves letters. Scriptic refers to the EARLY S with the serifs and ornamental style.

I have a couple of the early type with all scriptic S's and they are on nearly every part including interior parts such as the firing pin retainer and toggle link pin. I wish they were here in front of me to check for sure. A friend here in Colorado recently bought s/n 1536 and it had at least one of the later style S's on the toggle train. It seems the transition began before s/n 1536.

Dave

bill m · 04-11-2002, 01:23 AM

Early one being what, one of the first 100, 400, 800, 1200, 1500, 1700? Makes a difference where it was produced in each of the variations. There are more than 4 variations of K-dates also. Oh well, doesn't really matter anyway -- enjoy your new toy!

Thor · 04-11-2002, 01:26 AM

Serial number is 1594 Bill, and I appreciate your help! Thor

Thor · 04-11-2002, 01:32 AM

Dave, mine is serial 1594 and it has the Gothic S on it but SCRIPT S on all other parts. You are right about the S designation. Thanks for the help. I think mine may have been "worked on before" It only has two digits "94" which is not correct but it has what appears to be original droop eagle on left back barrel and the O 37 proof on the left side, that really look correct to me. It has the very small land gauge of 8,82 which also looks correct. I still think there are a few phoney things about this gun, but I like it. It has a mismatched hold open too. Thanks for the info! I think what I am trying to determine is just how much is original and how much was made to appear to be correct. Thor

Lonnie Zimmerman · 04-12-2002, 12:07 AM

Thor; I NEED K date sear bar 94!!!

Unscrupulous

Lonnie

Thor · 04-12-2002, 01:52 AM

LONNIE..........go fish!!!! Thor

04-10-2002, 09:11 PM	#1
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	K date question Since I dont to look at many of these, I wondered if any of you fellas or gals have one would you comment on my curiosity? Early K dates are said to have Script S all over the gun on most parts. The one shown in Jan Still's "Third Reich Lugers" from the top view shows a Gothic or smooth font S on the top of the front sight blade but a Script S on all the other parts. Do K dates typically have either types of Ss on the top of the front sight, gothic and script? Thor

04-10-2002, 11:01 PM	#2
charlie adams Guest Posts: n/a	Re: K date question Thor there are four variation K dates I have a # 2 & a # 4 a 4 is very plain # 2 is most desireable look on page 17 stills for variations Charlie

04-10-2002, 11:45 PM	#3
bill m User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 385 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: K date question Without your serial number it is hard to say whether you have a transition gun or a true first issue. The early ones have all scriptic S's on ALL parts -- even the firing pin.

04-11-2002, 12:25 AM	#4
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: K date question Mine is an early one Bill, thanks! Thor

04-11-2002, 01:01 AM	#5
mlm Guest Posts: n/a	Re: K date question Correct me if I am wrong but I believe gothic refers to san serif (the LATE S on K dates) smooth curves letters. Scriptic refers to the EARLY S with the serifs and ornamental style. I have a couple of the early type with all scriptic S's and they are on nearly every part including interior parts such as the firing pin retainer and toggle link pin. I wish they were here in front of me to check for sure. A friend here in Colorado recently bought s/n 1536 and it had at least one of the later style S's on the toggle train. It seems the transition began before s/n 1536. Dave

04-11-2002, 01:23 AM	#6
bill m User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 385 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	How Early Early one being what, one of the first 100, 400, 800, 1200, 1500, 1700? Makes a difference where it was produced in each of the variations. There are more than 4 variations of K-dates also. Oh well, doesn't really matter anyway -- enjoy your new toy!

04-11-2002, 01:26 AM	#7
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: How Early Serial number is 1594 Bill, and I appreciate your help! Thor

04-11-2002, 01:32 AM	#8
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: K date question Dave, mine is serial 1594 and it has the Gothic S on it but SCRIPT S on all other parts. You are right about the S designation. Thanks for the help. I think mine may have been "worked on before" It only has two digits "94" which is not correct but it has what appears to be original droop eagle on left back barrel and the O 37 proof on the left side, that really look correct to me. It has the very small land gauge of 8,82 which also looks correct. I still think there are a few phoney things about this gun, but I like it. It has a mismatched hold open too. Thanks for the info! I think what I am trying to determine is just how much is original and how much was made to appear to be correct. Thor

04-12-2002, 12:07 AM	#9
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: How Early Thor; I NEED K date sear bar 94!!! Unscrupulous Lonnie

04-12-2002, 01:52 AM	#10
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: How Early LONNIE..........go fish!!!! Thor