Uhlan cavalry holster

stefarms · 02-12-2008, 08:08 PM

IMA has a very cool replica holster for the P08 that's said to be a copy of a WW1 Uhlan cavalry holster.

http://www.ima-usa.com/product_info....roducts_id/634

lugerholsterrepair · 02-12-2008, 09:41 PM

that's said to be a copy of a WW1 Uhlan cavalry holster.

It's pure fantasy.

Jerry Burney

GerColctor · 02-12-2008, 11:26 PM

It must be authentic, it is dated "1916".

Joe

stefarms · 02-13-2008, 01:00 AM

I'd still buy one if it came in a right hand version. I particularly like the double magazine holders...I've just identified myself as a flamer, haven't I?

John Sabato · 02-13-2008, 09:17 AM

It would be a very serviceable holster... but as Jerry pointed out, it is complete fantasy... I do believe I remember that this holster is available in a right hand version... Just sent a note to Charles at CMR and ask him...

Edward Tinker · 02-17-2008, 01:57 AM

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Originally posted by stefarms
...I've just identified myself as a flamer, haven't I?

nah, we like opinions here, sometimes some are just more louder than others. it gets too rambunctious and we throw some water on those flames.

I am just south of Denver BTW...

Ed

stefarms · 02-17-2008, 02:42 PM

CMR has the same holster on their website, also a left hand.

I'm up in the People's Republic of Boulder.

Lugerdoc · 02-18-2008, 10:50 AM

Since most US Cavalery holsters were worn on the right side with butt forward for left hand draw (remember that the Cav also wore a saber on the left side for right hand use) that is probably where the idea of this type of holster being made for them. I have no idea if this was the practice of the German army. TH

NoncomRetired · 06-30-2013, 12:35 AM

I know this is an old old thread but searching the archives first sometimes does and does not answer a question.

If these holsters are fantasy Uhlan holsters, what holster did they use? A regular belt holster, right side, not to interfere with the saber? I've been searching for info about belts and holsters for Uhlans. I know that in 1915 a directive went out changes the color of leather gear from brown to black for everyone. That was not completely followed I know but some units used black instead of brown from the git-go. What was the color for Uhlans? I've come across photos showing occifer Uhlans with brown at the beginning of the war, was it the same for NCOs? The uniform color didn't change until late 1915 from the old time colors to field green for all.

sheepherder · 06-30-2013, 09:44 AM

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It's too bad the original poster didn't attach a pic of the holster, instead of posting a link to a URL that no longer exists...

I did find this pic on IMA's site...

German WWI Uhlan Cavalry Luger Holster

http://www.ima-usa.com/german-wwi-uh...r-holster.html

New Made Item: A perfect replica of one of WWI's rarest Luger holsters, issued only to Cavalry and Lancer (UHLAN) units. Top quality brown leather hardshell Left Hand Luger holsters complete with "over the shoulder" body sling designed to be worn on the right hip butt forward for use with the left hand. The right hand was intended for either a lance or sabre. Fitted, like the originals, with Two spare P-08 Luger magazine compartments. A great reproduction of one the scarcest of WWI holsters. Complete with WWI markings.

These holsters are not the cheaply made knock-offs so often encountered. Examine the quality of the workmanship, the clarity of the stampings, and the quality of the leather that make these Reproductions stand out above all the rest.

NoncomRetired · 06-30-2013, 10:12 AM

Rich....it is that holster that Jerry and some others wrote off as pure fantasy. I would think that this is where a cavalry lanyard would be used, since they are documented, along with a regular side holster (right side w/butt to the rear). I know it's been mention that our cavalry had butt to the front but that was then, back with Sitting Bull and Geronimo.

Every sales pitch that I've read on sites offering these holsters say the same thing, 'patterned after original Uhlan holsters' but I've yet to see that original that they base that statement on.

Nice holster, designed well and if it was offered back in 1914, both the designer and maker would have many many Reichmarks.

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http://www.ima-usa.com/product_info....roducts_id/634

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The page you requested was not found, and we think we know why.
If you typed the URL directly, please make sure the spelling is correct.
If you clicked on a link to get here, the link is outdated (our mistake, sorry).

It's too bad the original poster didn't attach a pic of the holster, instead of posting a link to a URL that no longer exists...

I did find this pic on IMA's site...

German WWI Uhlan Cavalry Luger Holster

http://www.ima-usa.com/german-wwi-uh...r-holster.html

New Made Item: A perfect replica of one of WWI's rarest Luger holsters, issued only to Cavalry and Lancer (UHLAN) units. Top quality brown leather hardshell Left Hand Luger holsters complete with "over the shoulder" body sling designed to be worn on the right hip butt forward for use with the left hand. The right hand was intended for either a lance or sabre. Fitted, like the originals, with Two spare P-08 Luger magazine compartments. A great reproduction of one the scarcest of WWI holsters. Complete with WWI markings.

These holsters are not the cheaply made knock-offs so often encountered. Examine the quality of the workmanship, the clarity of the stampings, and the quality of the leather that make these Reproductions stand out above all the rest.

George Anderson · 06-30-2013, 10:27 AM

The Imperial German cavarlry, some of whom were issued pistols, wore the holster on either side depending on the individual's preference. The sabre was mounted on the left side of the saddle to the rear.

NoncomRetired · 06-30-2013, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

The Imperial German cavarlry, some of whom were issued pistols, wore the holster on either side depending on the individual's preference. The sabre was mounted on the left side of the saddle to the rear.

George, would you know the color of the leather belts, holsters and riding boots used by the Uhlans in 1914? Were they original black or did they change with the 1915 directive to black from brown? I've seen photos of both but the ones with black leathers are with the newer field green/grey uniform they switched to in 1915/16.

George Anderson · 06-30-2013, 11:40 AM

Ed, the uhlans, like all other units, went from blue uniforms to field grey in 1910. There was another change to the tunic in 1915. Uhlans and other cavalry units continued to wear their traditonal tunics (Ulanka in the case of uhlans) right up until the end of the war. Leather items were originally brown with many dyed black in 1916 or later. Most of the cavalry marked holsters I have are brown as is one of the three cavalry belts I have.

NoncomRetired · 06-30-2013, 11:49 AM

Thanks George for that info...another question, would they have kept and used there blue uniforms for parade and walking out dress after 1910? Also, was a cavalry belt for NCO/EN any different than the regular infantryman?

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

Ed, the uhlans, like all other units, went from blue uniforms to field grey in 1910. There was another change to the tunic in 1915. Uhlans and other cavalry units continued to wear their traditonal tunics (Ulanka in the case of uhlans) right up until the end of the war. Leather items were originally brown with many dyed black in 1916 or later. Most of the cavalry marked holsters I have are brown as is one of the three cavalry belts I have.

George Anderson · 06-30-2013, 11:55 AM

Ed, I have dozens of photos of Uhlans but can not say that I have any that give evidence of continuing wear of the earlier uniforms.

NoncomRetired · 06-30-2013, 12:14 PM

Thanks George...

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

Ed, I have dozens of photos of Uhlans but can not say that I have any that give evidence of continuing wear of the earlier uniforms.

02-12-2008, 08:08 PM	#1
stefarms User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Uhlan cavalry holster IMA has a very cool replica holster for the P08 that's said to be a copy of a WW1 Uhlan cavalry holster. http://www.ima-usa.com/product_info....roducts_id/634

02-12-2008, 09:41 PM	#2
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02-13-2008, 09:17 AM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	It would be a very serviceable holster... but as Jerry pointed out, it is complete fantasy... I do believe I remember that this holster is available in a right hand version... Just sent a note to Charles at CMR and ask him... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-18-2008, 10:50 AM	#8
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Since most US Cavalery holsters were worn on the right side with butt forward for left hand draw (remember that the Cav also wore a saber on the left side for right hand use) that is probably where the idea of this type of holster being made for them. I have no idea if this was the practice of the German army. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

02-13-2008, 01:00 AM	#4
stefarms User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'd still buy one if it came in a right hand version. I particularly like the double magazine holders...I've just identified myself as a flamer, haven't I?

02-17-2008, 02:42 PM	#7
stefarms User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	CMR has the same holster on their website, also a left hand. I'm up in the People's Republic of Boulder.

06-30-2013, 12:35 AM	#9
NoncomRetired Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 719 Thanks: 144 Thanked 306 Times in 146 Posts	I know this is an old old thread but searching the archives first sometimes does and does not answer a question. If these holsters are fantasy Uhlan holsters, what holster did they use? A regular belt holster, right side, not to interfere with the saber? I've been searching for info about belts and holsters for Uhlans. I know that in 1915 a directive went out changes the color of leather gear from brown to black for everyone. That was not completely followed I know but some units used black instead of brown from the git-go. What was the color for Uhlans? I've come across photos showing occifer Uhlans with brown at the beginning of the war, was it the same for NCOs? The uniform color didn't change until late 1915 from the old time colors to field green for all.

06-30-2013, 09:44 AM	#10
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	404 Not Found http://www.ima-usa.com/product_info....roducts_id/634 Whoops, our bad... The page you requested was not found, and we think we know why. If you typed the URL directly, please make sure the spelling is correct. If you clicked on a link to get here, the link is outdated (our mistake, sorry). It's too bad the original poster didn't attach a pic of the holster, instead of posting a link to a URL that no longer exists... I did find this pic on IMA's site... German WWI Uhlan Cavalry Luger Holster http://www.ima-usa.com/german-wwi-uh...r-holster.html New Made Item: A perfect replica of one of WWI's rarest Luger holsters, issued only to Cavalry and Lancer (UHLAN) units. Top quality brown leather hardshell Left Hand Luger holsters complete with "over the shoulder" body sling designed to be worn on the right hip butt forward for use with the left hand. The right hand was intended for either a lance or sabre. Fitted, like the originals, with Two spare P-08 Luger magazine compartments. A great reproduction of one the scarcest of WWI holsters. Complete with WWI markings. These holsters are not the cheaply made knock-offs so often encountered. Examine the quality of the workmanship, the clarity of the stampings, and the quality of the leather that make these Reproductions stand out above all the rest. Attached Images __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

06-30-2013, 10:27 AM	#12
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	The Imperial German cavarlry, some of whom were issued pistols, wore the holster on either side depending on the individual's preference. The sabre was mounted on the left side of the saddle to the rear.

06-30-2013, 11:40 AM	#14
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Ed, the uhlans, like all other units, went from blue uniforms to field grey in 1910. There was another change to the tunic in 1915. Uhlans and other cavalry units continued to wear their traditonal tunics (Ulanka in the case of uhlans) right up until the end of the war. Leather items were originally brown with many dyed black in 1916 or later. Most of the cavalry marked holsters I have are brown as is one of the three cavalry belts I have.

06-30-2013, 11:55 AM	#16
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Ed, I have dozens of photos of Uhlans but can not say that I have any that give evidence of continuing wear of the earlier uniforms.