Gun show inspections - Page 2

cirelaw · 06-22-2013, 10:30 PM

This is a true story. I'm long time friend with our local Sherrif. I went years ago to our local gunshow together. He wore civilian clothes. He left to make a check-in to his headquaters and was approached in the parking with a man selling an automatic handgun. He pretended to go along with the deal. Smart thinking he told the seller he could go to the inside teller machine and return with the cash. In side he found one of the under cover ATF agent that I learned patrol every gunshow and met him again in the parking lot while the agent was watching. As the deal was made he was arrested. A gunshow is the last place to do anything illegal!! ~~~Eric

alanint · 06-23-2013, 09:19 AM

Schnellfeuers were reissued to the Waffen SS in World War 2. Although many were made, correct, registered and transferrable models are a rarety here in the US. They usually command upwards of $10,000 when offered for sale.

Eric, I must have missed something in your gun show story. It is not illegal to sell an automatic pistol outside a gun show in Florida. Unless you meant "fully automatic". Florida does not require you to be an FFL to rent a table and sell guns at local gun shows. Many people wishing to liquidate personal collections take this route. If you do this routinely, (buy and sell as a gun show regular) without an FFL and/or Tax ID, you are more likely to get a visit from the IRS than from the ATF.

skeeter4206 · 06-23-2013, 09:43 AM

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=346632456

heres the link to the select fire broom handle.

rhuff · 06-23-2013, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by skeeter4206

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=346632456

heres the link to the select fire broom handle.

I would really like to own that handgun.......all I need now is the cash!!

MikeP · 06-23-2013, 07:48 PM

I fired a Schnell years ago. They have a big switch n the side.
So impractical its hard to believe so many were made.
Hard to get less than about a 4-5 round burst and those all over the place.

In the "old" days gunshow parking lots were fabulous places, but the feds were lurking.
Old childhood friend did that for years-they were mostly looking to build cases and bust habitual offenders.
They were watching a lot of people. I always thought my friend had got caught and turned rat to save himself. He and his handler tried to recruit me when I got out of the army, but that behaviour was short of my standards.

lugerholsterrepair · 06-25-2013, 01:12 PM

I always found the hubbub over taking them apart amusing. Yes..I agree, it's really funny for the average guy who takes one of these apart. The laughable part is when the monstrosity of weird parts gets stuck and no matter what you do it cannot be forced apart. OH! And another hilarious part of these pistols is the sharp angular edges and points all over them! Kind of like brushing a cat's teeth or giving a big feral tom cat a manicure. The last time..and I mean last time I monkeyed with one of these my hands looked like I stuck them in a tigers cage about lunch time.
A Luger or any John Browning designed pistol is like picking up a stick of butter over a piece of cholla cactus.
I almost forgot the funniest part! It's actually possible for the top end of these pistols to come completely off and hit you in the face!! That's if it doesn't hit your funnybone first! As much of a laugh riot as these pistols are..after owning a half dozen I went back to my Lugers.

lew1 · 06-25-2013, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

I always found the hubbub over taking them apart amusing. Yes..I agree, it's really funny for the average guy who takes one of these apart. The laughable part is when the monstrosity of weird parts gets stuck and no matter what you do it cannot be forced apart. OH! And another hilarious part of these pistols is the sharp angular edges and points all over them! Kind of like brushing a cat's teeth or giving a big feral tom cat a manicure. The last time..and I mean last time I monkeyed with one of these my hands looked like I stuck them in a tigers cage about lunch time.
A Luger or any John Browning designed pistol is like picking up a stick of butter over a piece of cholla cactus.
I almost forgot the funniest part! It's actually possible for the top end of these pistols to come completely off and hit you in the face!! That's if it doesn't hit your funnybone first! As much of a laugh riot as these pistols are..after owning a half dozen I went back to my Lugers.

You would be surprised at the number of people who cannot put a Hi Power back together.

cirelaw · 06-25-2013, 01:30 PM

It took me years to realize that you have to pull back the top portion to move the takedown. Since my stroke I'm lousy at directions..PS Thank Jerry!

lugerholsterrepair · 06-25-2013, 02:39 PM

Charlie..I bet! I pride myself on my mechanical ability. I have dis assembled Browing A5 Automatic shotguns many times and because parts can fall out when a pin is pushed you don't know for sure exactly how they go back..Everything has to go somewhere though..Certain guns are a challenge and I find the C96 not so much a challenge but just irritating in it's whole method of construction.

The only HP's I have are Englis..Someday I hope to find a good pre 45 German one I can afford! I assure you... taking a HP apart is a joy and a pleasure compared to a C96!

alanint · 06-25-2013, 03:12 PM

Try a fully automatic BAR or Browning 1919A4 sometime. They are really complex.

lugerholsterrepair · 06-25-2013, 04:40 PM

Doug..I would dearly love to! I have always thought a really cool museum would be full of firearms you could take down and put back together. I guess that was called the Army.

alvin · 06-25-2013, 05:37 PM

Back a few years ago, I paid an online course teaching how to repair watches. After the course, I bought a"watch repairing kit" from the tutor, including a movement for practicing purpose. Soon, I found the hardest part in practice -- the floor was a black hole, if a tiny component flew out during disassembly, it's simply impossible to find it any more.

cirelaw · 06-25-2013, 05:58 PM

Whats worse is when the tiny screw in your glasses pops out!! Thank God they sell a small repair set with tiny screws and mini screw driver!!~~Eric

lugerholsterrepair · 06-25-2013, 06:01 PM

if a tiny component flew out during disassembly, it's simply impossible to find it any more.

Truer words were never spoken! I lost a sear spring plunger off a Luger last year and also a takedown lever spring off my 1936 Krieghoff. Both are somewhere in this leather shop..I saw the direction they went but after hours of searching they have yet to show up!

Ron Wood · 06-25-2013, 07:52 PM

I have a powerful "magnet on a stick" that I bought at a hardware store. I used it when our house was being built to pick up the stray nails so that I wasn't constantly getting my tires repaired. Run that puppy around the shop floor or a pile rug and you will be amazed at what you can turn up.

alanint · 06-25-2013, 08:48 PM

I also have one of those magnets. If you routinely disassemble delicate items, it is cheap to build a "disassembly box".
You can use a cheap, cardboard box, line it with white paper or white paint, an old, white or cream colored towel on the bottom, a hole in the top for a work lamp to stick through and a slot and two holes for your viewing port and arm entries. Anything flying off your project will not have far to go in this environment.

sheepherder · 06-25-2013, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint

I also have one of those magnets. If you routinely disassemble delicate items, it is cheap to build a "disassembly box".

It's a lot easier to go in your bedroom, stick your head, arms, & pistol under the sheet and take it apart...

alvin · 06-25-2013, 09:25 PM

Another time was assembling a cone hammer's lock work, it's very hard to push the main spring down and insert the coupling into the frame. Since the spring was so stiff and I had been holding it down too long but still could not insert that stupid coupling, my hand started shaking. The spring, spring caps, and the coupling all flied out. I even heard the sound when they dropped on the floor. Soon, I found the spring and one cap, but I could not find the other cap and coupling. There were a few big cardboard boxes holding various kinds of small junk items on the floor, I was not sure whether they went there. Since it's not an option to give up, I spent the whole night without sleeping searching. Finally found them.

06-25-2013, 01:12 PM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,134 Times in 1,439 Posts	I always found the hubbub over taking them apart amusing. Yes..I agree, it's really funny for the average guy who takes one of these apart. The laughable part is when the monstrosity of weird parts gets stuck and no matter what you do it cannot be forced apart. OH! And another hilarious part of these pistols is the sharp angular edges and points all over them! Kind of like brushing a cat's teeth or giving a big feral tom cat a manicure. The last time..and I mean last time I monkeyed with one of these my hands looked like I stuck them in a tigers cage about lunch time. A Luger or any John Browning designed pistol is like picking up a stick of butter over a piece of cholla cactus. I almost forgot the funniest part! It's actually possible for the top end of these pistols to come completely off and hit you in the face!! That's if it doesn't hit your funnybone first! As much of a laugh riot as these pistols are..after owning a half dozen I went back to my Lugers. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-25-2013, 02:39 PM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,134 Times in 1,439 Posts	Charlie..I bet! I pride myself on my mechanical ability. I have dis assembled Browing A5 Automatic shotguns many times and because parts can fall out when a pin is pushed you don't know for sure exactly how they go back..Everything has to go somewhere though..Certain guns are a challenge and I find the C96 not so much a challenge but just irritating in it's whole method of construction. The only HP's I have are Englis..Someday I hope to find a good pre 45 German one I can afford! I assure you... taking a HP apart is a joy and a pleasure compared to a C96! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-25-2013, 04:40 PM	#11
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,134 Times in 1,439 Posts	Doug..I would dearly love to! I have always thought a really cool museum would be full of firearms you could take down and put back together. I guess that was called the Army. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-25-2013, 06:01 PM	#14
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,134 Times in 1,439 Posts	if a tiny component flew out during disassembly, it's simply impossible to find it any more. Truer words were never spoken! I lost a sear spring plunger off a Luger last year and also a takedown lever spring off my 1936 Krieghoff. Both are somewhere in this leather shop..I saw the direction they went but after hours of searching they have yet to show up! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-25-2013, 07:52 PM	#15
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,119 Thanked 5,286 Times in 1,728 Posts	I have a powerful "magnet on a stick" that I bought at a hardware store. I used it when our house was being built to pick up the stray nails so that I wasn't constantly getting my tires repaired. Run that puppy around the shop floor or a pile rug and you will be amazed at what you can turn up. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-22-2013, 10:30 PM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	This is a true story. I'm long time friend with our local Sherrif. I went years ago to our local gunshow together. He wore civilian clothes. He left to make a check-in to his headquaters and was approached in the parking with a man selling an automatic handgun. He pretended to go along with the deal. Smart thinking he told the seller he could go to the inside teller machine and return with the cash. In side he found one of the under cover ATF agent that I learned patrol every gunshow and met him again in the parking lot while the agent was watching. As the deal was made he was arrested. A gunshow is the last place to do anything illegal!! ~~~Eric

06-23-2013, 09:19 AM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Schnellfeuers were reissued to the Waffen SS in World War 2. Although many were made, correct, registered and transferrable models are a rarety here in the US. They usually command upwards of $10,000 when offered for sale. Eric, I must have missed something in your gun show story. It is not illegal to sell an automatic pistol outside a gun show in Florida. Unless you meant "fully automatic". Florida does not require you to be an FFL to rent a table and sell guns at local gun shows. Many people wishing to liquidate personal collections take this route. If you do this routinely, (buy and sell as a gun show regular) without an FFL and/or Tax ID, you are more likely to get a visit from the IRS than from the ATF.

06-23-2013, 09:43 AM	#3
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=346632456 heres the link to the select fire broom handle.

06-23-2013, 07:48 PM	#5
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	I fired a Schnell years ago. They have a big switch n the side. So impractical its hard to believe so many were made. Hard to get less than about a 4-5 round burst and those all over the place. In the "old" days gunshow parking lots were fabulous places, but the feds were lurking. Old childhood friend did that for years-they were mostly looking to build cases and bust habitual offenders. They were watching a lot of people. I always thought my friend had got caught and turned rat to save himself. He and his handler tried to recruit me when I got out of the army, but that behaviour was short of my standards.

06-25-2013, 01:30 PM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	It took me years to realize that you have to pull back the top portion to move the takedown. Since my stroke I'm lousy at directions..PS Thank Jerry!

06-25-2013, 03:12 PM	#10
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Try a fully automatic BAR or Browning 1919A4 sometime. They are really complex.

06-25-2013, 05:37 PM	#12
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Back a few years ago, I paid an online course teaching how to repair watches. After the course, I bought a"watch repairing kit" from the tutor, including a movement for practicing purpose. Soon, I found the hardest part in practice -- the floor was a black hole, if a tiny component flew out during disassembly, it's simply impossible to find it any more.

06-25-2013, 05:58 PM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Whats worse is when the tiny screw in your glasses pops out!! Thank God they sell a small repair set with tiny screws and mini screw driver!!~~Eric

06-25-2013, 08:48 PM	#16
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	I also have one of those magnets. If you routinely disassemble delicate items, it is cheap to build a "disassembly box". You can use a cheap, cardboard box, line it with white paper or white paint, an old, white or cream colored towel on the bottom, a hole in the top for a work lamp to stick through and a slot and two holes for your viewing port and arm entries. Anything flying off your project will not have far to go in this environment.

06-25-2013, 09:25 PM	#18
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Another time was assembling a cone hammer's lock work, it's very hard to push the main spring down and insert the coupling into the frame. Since the spring was so stiff and I had been holding it down too long but still could not insert that stupid coupling, my hand started shaking. The spring, spring caps, and the coupling all flied out. I even heard the sound when they dropped on the floor. Soon, I found the spring and one cap, but I could not find the other cap and coupling. There were a few big cardboard boxes holding various kinds of small junk items on the floor, I was not sure whether they went there. Since it's not an option to give up, I spent the whole night without sleeping searching. Finally found them.