Cleaning rods questions

Neil Young · 08-31-2012, 08:27 AM

Okay, I'm going to show my limited knowledge. I don't understand why Luger and C96 cleaning rods ends are designed as they are. Why the long threaded portion (similar to a jag?)?. Why the longitudinal slot through the threaded portion? How were they used (patch, strips of material, cordage)? I realize that this is not a very important discussion, like the Russian Luger, but you have to think about things like this--something else to clog the brain.

Neil

CAP Black · 08-31-2012, 10:10 AM

It appears to be kind of self evident. Like how ever you can so desire to use it. That way you need no tools added to the front end. You might slip some bronze wool, etc. in there and do whatever.
Jack

lugerholsterrepair · 08-31-2012, 10:21 AM

Neil..The common cleaning rod material used during this period was a hemp like stuff..the name of which escapes me this morning. Like if you were to unravel a hemp rope. This was twisted around the threaded end of the rod and stuffed into the barrel. Got good scrubbing action I would guess.
I can't really say about the groove in the shaft..maybe like a blood groove in a bayonet? Let's the oil flow or?
You will see this hemp stuff from time to time in German cleaning kits. I have seen it on occasion twisted around a cleaning rod shaft and stuffed into an Artillery holster sleeve.
As you can see I don't know all that much about it either..maybe Gerben knows more?

Neil Young · 08-31-2012, 10:46 AM

Thanks Jerry. Is the word sisal (sp). I guess it wasn't so self-evident--at least to me.

Neil

GySgt1811 · 08-31-2012, 11:06 AM

I believe it was called "tow." You can still get it from Dixie Gun Works.

Regards,

John

lugerholsterrepair · 08-31-2012, 11:09 AM

Neil..Yes..I believe your right! I think Gerben mentioned before it is still used in Europe? I could be wrong there but that's what I remember.

George Anderson · 09-02-2012, 06:31 PM

Neil, this cleaning rod came out of a 1915 Artillery holster that I bought several years ago. It was very difficult to pull it out of the cleaning rod sleeve because of the material on the end of it.

Sieger · 09-02-2012, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Anderson

Neil, this cleaning rod came out of a 1915 Artillery holster that I bought several years ago. It was very difficult to pull it out of the cleaning rod sleeve because of the material on the end of it.

Hi to All:

This method of patching is from the black powder era.

It represents an example of 5,000 years of tradition unhampered by progress.

How DWM and/or the German Army could have matched-up a spaceaged design Luger with this antique patching method is beyond my ability to understand, as a simple loop will do just wonders.

How long did they keep this design, until 1945?

Ha!!

Sieger

Neil Young · 09-03-2012, 07:12 PM

Thanks for the help everybody. I believe that that clears it up for me.

Neil

SIGP2101 · 09-05-2012, 03:38 PM

Actually it is a very clever design for cleaning rod. It is still the one I prefer over the others.
This design allows you to use number of different materials for cleaning wiping or oiling.
By cutting that channel they created number of individual serrations that would bite into material no matter which way you twisting and turning the rod.

08-31-2012, 08:27 AM	#1
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 545 Thanks: 559 Thanked 442 Times in 168 Posts	Cleaning rods questions Okay, I'm going to show my limited knowledge. I don't understand why Luger and C96 cleaning rods ends are designed as they are. Why the long threaded portion (similar to a jag?)?. Why the longitudinal slot through the threaded portion? How were they used (patch, strips of material, cordage)? I realize that this is not a very important discussion, like the Russian Luger, but you have to think about things like this--something else to clog the brain. Neil __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done. Last edited by Neil Young; 08-31-2012 at 08:28 AM. Reason: typo

08-31-2012, 10:21 AM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,766 Thanks: 4,892 Thanked 3,121 Times in 1,432 Posts	Neil..The common cleaning rod material used during this period was a hemp like stuff..the name of which escapes me this morning. Like if you were to unravel a hemp rope. This was twisted around the threaded end of the rod and stuffed into the barrel. Got good scrubbing action I would guess. I can't really say about the groove in the shaft..maybe like a blood groove in a bayonet? Let's the oil flow or? You will see this hemp stuff from time to time in German cleaning kits. I have seen it on occasion twisted around a cleaning rod shaft and stuffed into an Artillery holster sleeve. As you can see I don't know all that much about it either..maybe Gerben knows more? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-31-2012, 10:46 AM	#4
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 545 Thanks: 559 Thanked 442 Times in 168 Posts	Thanks Jerry. Is the word sisal (sp). I guess it wasn't so self-evident--at least to me. Neil __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

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GySgt1811 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 237 Thanks: 1,238 Thanked 126 Times in 84 Posts	cleaning stuff I believe it was called "tow." You can still get it from Dixie Gun Works. Regards, John

08-31-2012, 11:09 AM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,766 Thanks: 4,892 Thanked 3,121 Times in 1,432 Posts	Neil..Yes..I believe your right! I think Gerben mentioned before it is still used in Europe? I could be wrong there but that's what I remember. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-31-2012, 10:10 AM	#2
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	It appears to be kind of self evident. Like how ever you can so desire to use it. That way you need no tools added to the front end. You might slip some bronze wool, etc. in there and do whatever. Jack

09-02-2012, 06:31 PM	#7
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Neil, this cleaning rod came out of a 1915 Artillery holster that I bought several years ago. It was very difficult to pull it out of the cleaning rod sleeve because of the material on the end of it. Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

09-03-2012, 07:12 PM	#9
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 545 Thanks: 559 Thanked 442 Times in 168 Posts	Thanks for the help everybody. I believe that that clears it up for me. Neil __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

09-05-2012, 03:38 PM	#10
SIGP2101 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 256 Thanks: 74 Thanked 67 Times in 32 Posts	Actually it is a very clever design for cleaning rod. It is still the one I prefer over the others. This design allows you to use number of different materials for cleaning wiping or oiling. By cutting that channel they created number of individual serrations that would bite into material no matter which way you twisting and turning the rod.