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HUGO REVELES · 07-17-2012, 02:23 AM

they think this luger 7.65mm?
the grips silver germany 20´s

Douglas Jr. · 07-17-2012, 09:15 AM

Hugo,

It's impossible to answer your questions from the picture posted. We need to know what marking are there...
This gun can be a commercial pistol made during the 1920s (most chambered to 7,65mm Luger ammo, just a few in 9mm), but it could also be a military gun.

Douglas.

Edward Tinker · 07-17-2012, 09:16 AM

No idea, you tell us?

Give us more information, more pictures

Does a pencil fit down the opening easily, if yes, then it is in 9mm, if no, then 7.65mm

Ed

lugerholsterrepair · 07-17-2012, 09:55 AM

The grips look cast aluminum with a cowboy and Indian motif...Highly doubt they are German.

John Sabato · 07-17-2012, 10:44 AM

The gun: German
The Grips: Mexican
The Type: Commercial
The Caliber: Most likely 7.65mm.

Okay, I agree with Jerry. The grips are definitely Mexican in origin. Silver or Aluminum? no way to tell from this photograph. Much better photographs are required.

What I do see in the photograph is that this pistol does not have much original finish left on it, but does not appear to have been re-blued. It is not numbered in the military style, the only 'possible' serial number in this photo appears to be on the top front of the safety lever. That says it is a "commercial" gun to me...

Like Ed said, there is no way to determine the caliber from the photo, but I would all but bet that it is 7.65mm...because it is a commercial gun.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it... ( unless further evidence proves me wrong of course. )

alanint · 07-17-2012, 09:32 PM

Hugo is using a translator, so I think he meant the grips are made of "German Silver" in the 1920's. The grips also have Gold accents, like the small banner meant for initials. John is dead on- These are certainly Mexican handiwork. I have seen hundreds of these grips on various pistols I have run across down in Mexico over the years.

HUGO REVELES · 07-17-2012, 10:16 PM

send more photos, but I do not see

Edward Tinker · 07-17-2012, 10:33 PM

Photos did not show, try again or use photo albums

HUGO REVELES · 07-18-2012, 12:02 AM

send photos

HUGO REVELES · 07-18-2012, 12:07 AM

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Ron Wood · 07-18-2012, 01:39 AM

The Crown/N on the breechblock and the 7.65mm caliber pretty much indicate a 1920s Commercial. There is no proof on the left receiver and it may have been removed during refinish. Without the serial number and a photo of the bottom of the barrel there is not much more that can be said about model identification.

The grips look Mexican, although they are not a typical design. In Juarez in the 1960s almost every shop had real sterling silver grips with gold overlays for Colt and S&W revolvers, .45 Autos (the most popular!) and Lugers. They were made by the silversmiths in Taxco and were of very nice quality and workmanship (but a bit gaudy for my taste

). There were still a lot of them around during the 1970s and they were not expensive. I kind of wish I had picked up a pair. Today the silver alone would be worth several times their cost back then.

The only “Mexican” grip Luger I own I found in a pawn shop in El Paso. It had ridden around on the hip of a Juarez policeman for a number of years and has a gold national emblem inset on both grips (this side is the larger of the two).

alanint · 07-18-2012, 07:27 AM

I agree with Ron that most of these grips were Sterling Silver. When Hugo described them as "German Silver", I knew this was a Mexican term for what we call "alpaca", a Tin alloy. Instead of gold inlay, the highlights here appear to have been gold plated, which has worn off over time.

I also agree with Ron that the motifs are unusual; while not typical, I have seen the horse in horseshoe design before, but the American Indian is unique. What you typically see is some form of the Mexican National symbol, the eagle on a cactus devouring a snake, which is part of an Aztec legend describing how Mexico City was founded. Ron's example shows this eagle.

These appear to be a "poor mans", discount version of the typical Mexican grips and clearly designed with the American market in mind.

07-17-2012, 02:23 AM	#1
HUGO REVELES User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Monterrey México Posts: 44 Thanks: 11 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	germany stylish mexicán they think this luger 7.65mm? the grips silver germany 20´s Attached Thumbnails

07-17-2012, 09:16 AM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	No idea, you tell us? Give us more information, more pictures Does a pencil fit down the opening easily, if yes, then it is in 9mm, if no, then 7.65mm Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-17-2012, 09:55 AM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,766 Thanks: 4,883 Thanked 3,121 Times in 1,432 Posts	The grips look cast aluminum with a cowboy and Indian motif...Highly doubt they are German. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-17-2012, 10:44 AM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	The gun: German The Grips: Mexican The Type: Commercial The Caliber: Most likely 7.65mm. Okay, I agree with Jerry. The grips are definitely Mexican in origin. Silver or Aluminum? no way to tell from this photograph. Much better photographs are required. What I do see in the photograph is that this pistol does not have much original finish left on it, but does not appear to have been re-blued. It is not numbered in the military style, the only 'possible' serial number in this photo appears to be on the top front of the safety lever. That says it is a "commercial" gun to me... Like Ed said, there is no way to determine the caliber from the photo, but I would all but bet that it is 7.65mm...because it is a commercial gun. That's my story and I'm sticking to it... ( unless further evidence proves me wrong of course. ) __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-17-2012, 10:33 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	Photos did not show, try again or use photo albums __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-17-2012, 09:15 AM	#2
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Hugo, It's impossible to answer your questions from the picture posted. We need to know what marking are there... This gun can be a commercial pistol made during the 1920s (most chambered to 7,65mm Luger ammo, just a few in 9mm), but it could also be a military gun. Douglas.

07-17-2012, 09:32 PM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Hugo is using a translator, so I think he meant the grips are made of "German Silver" in the 1920's. The grips also have Gold accents, like the small banner meant for initials. John is dead on- These are certainly Mexican handiwork. I have seen hundreds of these grips on various pistols I have run across down in Mexico over the years.

07-17-2012, 10:16 PM	#7
HUGO REVELES User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Monterrey México Posts: 44 Thanks: 11 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	send more photos, but I do not see

07-18-2012, 12:02 AM	#9
HUGO REVELES User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Monterrey México Posts: 44 Thanks: 11 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	send photos Attached Thumbnails

07-18-2012, 12:07 AM	#10
HUGO REVELES User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Monterrey México Posts: 44 Thanks: 11 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	send photos Attached Thumbnails

07-18-2012, 01:39 AM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	The Crown/N on the breechblock and the 7.65mm caliber pretty much indicate a 1920s Commercial. There is no proof on the left receiver and it may have been removed during refinish. Without the serial number and a photo of the bottom of the barrel there is not much more that can be said about model identification. The grips look Mexican, although they are not a typical design. In Juarez in the 1960s almost every shop had real sterling silver grips with gold overlays for Colt and S&W revolvers, .45 Autos (the most popular!) and Lugers. They were made by the silversmiths in Taxco and were of very nice quality and workmanship (but a bit gaudy for my taste ). There were still a lot of them around during the 1970s and they were not expensive. I kind of wish I had picked up a pair. Today the silver alone would be worth several times their cost back then. The only “Mexican” grip Luger I own I found in a pawn shop in El Paso. It had ridden around on the hip of a Juarez policeman for a number of years and has a gold national emblem inset on both grips (this side is the larger of the two). Attached Thumbnails __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-18-2012, 07:27 AM	#12
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I agree with Ron that most of these grips were Sterling Silver. When Hugo described them as "German Silver", I knew this was a Mexican term for what we call "alpaca", a Tin alloy. Instead of gold inlay, the highlights here appear to have been gold plated, which has worn off over time. I also agree with Ron that the motifs are unusual; while not typical, I have seen the horse in horseshoe design before, but the American Indian is unique. What you typically see is some form of the Mexican National symbol, the eagle on a cactus devouring a snake, which is part of an Aztec legend describing how Mexico City was founded. Ron's example shows this eagle. These appear to be a "poor mans", discount version of the typical Mexican grips and clearly designed with the American market in mind.