Info on a double dated, unit marked luger

olearyjms2 · 02-05-2012, 04:52 AM

Hi guys,

Im new to the forums and the luger world. Im from the UK and have just bought my 1st deactivated luger.

Its a double dated 1917/1920 DWM with unit markings 100% numbers match (except mag, which is only a few out).

I was wondering if you guys can shed any light on the rareity (if any) and any background info on this beautiful pistol. Pics attached

I'd realy appreciate any info, thanks in advance

James

Curly1 · 02-05-2012, 10:26 AM

Welcome to the forum James.

Nice example.

The Unit mark is the 1st Field Artillary Regiment weapon number 40.

olearyjms2 · 02-05-2012, 10:56 AM

Thanks Gary, do you know if this is a rare example or quite common?

Curly1 · 02-05-2012, 05:29 PM

Other members will have to comment on that aspect of it.

olearyjms2 · 02-09-2012, 05:05 AM

Some more pics..... advise would be much apreciated, realy finding it hard to source info on how common or uncommon the double dated ones are, also would it have been used in WW2?

alanint · 02-09-2012, 06:02 AM

James, your pistol is not rare but it is a cut above the herd because of the unit marking and condition. The double stamped chamber was done in the Weimar era and is not uncommon. It all depends on what you are collecting. An Imperial Luger purist might reject your gun due to the inter wars Weimar property stamp it now has.
Conclusion; nice gun in nice condition with some history. A cut above the rest but certainly not unique.

olearyjms2 · 02-09-2012, 07:25 AM

alanint, many thanks for that. What would you value the pistol?

alanint · 02-09-2012, 07:35 AM

Here in the US, your pistol, if unrefinished, (which yours appears to be), would command perhaps $1,300-$1,500, depending on how badly somebody wanted it for their collection.

Sadly, your goverment's treatment of this fine piece of history would only bring parts value for it here in the US.

olearyjms2 · 02-14-2012, 06:25 AM

If my luger has not got the original strawing to the trigger etc does that mean its been refinished?

DavidJayUden · 02-14-2012, 08:12 AM

If the trigger, safety lever, mag. release, takedown lever, etc, are not strawed on a DWM gun, it means that at least those parts have been re-finished, probably the entire gun. Should you ever want to return to that straw finish on those small parts it is an easy process that you can do at home. But again it will not be truly "original".
dju

Ron Smith · 02-14-2012, 10:40 AM

Curly is correct . Reichswehr Battery 1 / 1st Field Artillery Regt. weapon # 40

1939: 1st Artillery Regt was transformed to the 37th Heavy Artillery Regt.

1944: It was again reorganized into the 121st Artillery Regt.

Your Luger most probably saw WWII service in both of these units.

Ron

02-05-2012, 04:52 AM	#1
olearyjms2 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Info on a double dated, unit marked luger Hi guys, Im new to the forums and the luger world. Im from the UK and have just bought my 1st deactivated luger. Its a double dated 1917/1920 DWM with unit markings 100% numbers match (except mag, which is only a few out). I was wondering if you guys can shed any light on the rareity (if any) and any background info on this beautiful pistol. Pics attached I'd realy appreciate any info, thanks in advance James Attached Thumbnails

02-05-2012, 10:26 AM	#2
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,235 Thanks: 116 Thanked 706 Times in 368 Posts	Welcome to the forum James. Nice example. The Unit mark is the 1st Field Artillary Regiment weapon number 40. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

02-05-2012, 05:29 PM	#4
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,235 Thanks: 116 Thanked 706 Times in 368 Posts	Other members will have to comment on that aspect of it. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

02-09-2012, 05:05 AM	#5
olearyjms2 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Some more pics..... advise would be much apreciated, realy finding it hard to source info on how common or uncommon the double dated ones are, also would it have been used in WW2? Attached Thumbnails

02-09-2012, 06:02 AM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	James, your pistol is not rare but it is a cut above the herd because of the unit marking and condition. The double stamped chamber was done in the Weimar era and is not uncommon. It all depends on what you are collecting. An Imperial Luger purist might reject your gun due to the inter wars Weimar property stamp it now has. Conclusion; nice gun in nice condition with some history. A cut above the rest but certainly not unique. Last edited by alanint; 02-09-2012 at 07:32 AM.

02-05-2012, 10:56 AM	#3
olearyjms2 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Gary, do you know if this is a rare example or quite common?

02-09-2012, 07:25 AM	#7
olearyjms2 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	alanint, many thanks for that. What would you value the pistol?

02-09-2012, 07:35 AM	#8
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Here in the US, your pistol, if unrefinished, (which yours appears to be), would command perhaps $1,300-$1,500, depending on how badly somebody wanted it for their collection. Sadly, your goverment's treatment of this fine piece of history would only bring parts value for it here in the US.

02-14-2012, 06:25 AM	#9
olearyjms2 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If my luger has not got the original strawing to the trigger etc does that mean its been refinished?

02-14-2012, 08:12 AM	#10
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	If the trigger, safety lever, mag. release, takedown lever, etc, are not strawed on a DWM gun, it means that at least those parts have been re-finished, probably the entire gun. Should you ever want to return to that straw finish on those small parts it is an easy process that you can do at home. But again it will not be truly "original". dju

02-14-2012, 10:40 AM	#11
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Curly is correct . Reichswehr Battery 1 / 1st Field Artillery Regt. weapon # 40 1939: 1st Artillery Regt was transformed to the 37th Heavy Artillery Regt. 1944: It was again reorganized into the 121st Artillery Regt. Your Luger most probably saw WWII service in both of these units. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...